wrote:
>
> A good point, although we could use the argument that "I'm sorry I can't
> show my face, but I don't want to be arrested for telling the truth!"
Then get someone who will show their face? They do exist and they
won't have the problems I pointed out already.
Zoë
zak, 24 Sep 2006 06:08:59
use images that are not intended as porn - horror, anime, arthouse etc.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/ .
Graham Marsden, 24 Sep 2006 18:52:23
Hi there,
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk wrote:
> use images that are not intended as porn - horror, anime, arthouse etc.
Not forgetting stuff that's already been broadcast such as the the one
of the women hanging from a bridge tied up with meathooks from Messiah
the Harrowing IV.
Cheers,
Graham.
Ms_Tytania, 25 Sep 2006 01:22:33
Thank you Zak. My idea is to use both, edited together. After all, the
Government doesn't intend to discriminate.
I'm going to post on IC today, asking for people to contribute their images,
suggestions regarding where to look, filmes, websites, links to video, etc.
I'd like to insist on using an anonymous character figure because I beleive
that "showing our difference" is better than insisting on blending with the
"normal". In regards to the gay movement, some gays prefer tob e seen as
"straight acting" as possible, others think tha if you got it flaunt it.
This newsreader wouldn't be on the screen all the time, and I can't see why
people would pay more attention to him/her than to the scenes of "violence
and extreme pornography" in front of their eyes. For people who are not used
to this, it can be a powerful visual cocktail. My idea is to show just
enough, but because lingering in any specific image or footage.
I'll stop now, these things have to be seen in action, not as a mere
description.
Any more suggestions?
Itzi
http://www.helloitzi.co.uk
"zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk" , 25 Sep 2006 01:22:33
>Subject: Re: [backlash] this is a public announcement...
>
>use images that are not intended as porn - horror, anime, arthouse etc.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>mail2web - Check your email from the web at
>http://mail2web.com/ .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
>visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
>
>To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
>
>Report abuse
>http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D5897
Stu, 25 Sep 2006 02:10:47
Hi all, This is my first post on Backlash for a very
long time. I shall get to the point:
The supporters of the proposed legislation will try
all sorts of media tricks to get the law passed
through Parliament, including holding press
conferences to " concerned " MPs and will doubtless,
include presentations of " shock-horror" stills culled
from a wide source of websites and other sources.
Expect a pathetic series of so-called victims of such
material to be trotted out at suitable moments.
We need to counter this by good PR. The Backlash
campaign has already done great things, but when it
comes to press conferences, a sober one-two minute
video would be of great benefit. For the end credits
-a simple whole screen title " Keep the government out
of our bedrooms " would suffice.
Make the video, make it appear conservative and sober
and include a close up Talking head head our barrister
warning of the legal damage the Bill would cause to
ECHR.
-BTW, get a camera crew down to the Skin Two Expo if,
necessary outside, and get some good quotes from
stylish and intelligent people .
So start thinking of how you maximize your press
conferences, wear your best suit ( not leathers ...)
and select your best speakers who can field questions.
Each member of the teams will have to make a one min
presentation of his/her qualifications and concerns
over the civil liberties implications of the Home
Office proposals. Rehearse a snappy series of one
liners, to be used if questions become too difficult.
ie. "This is the governments that lied to Parliament
and sent us to war in Iraqi on a lie. How can we trust
our civil liberties to such a discredited
administration ?" .
I am out of the country for a while, and I can tell
you that all the BDSM communities across the world are
watching your efforts with great interest.
Good luck with all this.
Regards,
Stuart Andrews.
with un.a--- Teddysmith2@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> Do C4 still have their slot 5 min slot for
> contributors after the evening news? Something like
> this would be an ideal target.
>
> T.
>
> Author wrote:
> > No, it's notm but there will be one soon.
> > After talking ot a video making friend yesterday,
> I decided to suggest
> > making a"public announcement" video about the
> BAcklash campaign. someting
> > infiormative, dharp and to teh point, to introuce
> ourselves and that can be
> > posted on Youtube and sent to TV stations,
> political parties, and all the
> > media.
> > The idea is to make it look like a 1 minute max
> news flash, with a
> > newsreader talking aobut teh "Dangerous pictures"
> law, and its implications.
> > This newsflash reader would b edressed in a black
> zentai suit, behind a
> > desk, and with images alluding to this law (stills
> and video footage), on
> > the background. I have accedss to a TV style
> studio for the filming, an
> > actress to be the presenter and a filming crew (me
> included).
> > I would be fantastic to have your pinion. If you
> want me to go ahead, we can
> > film it on 2 - 3 weeks time and it would be ready
> for teh Queen's Speech, if
> > not before.
> > I'd need a briefing with all the ideas and
> important points thta should
> > feature, as well as your contributions in
> picutres, video, etc, to be used
> > as footage and as ilustration.
> > What do you think?
> > Personally, I think that this format gets to more
> people. We are all used to
> > it on TV.
> > Itzi
> > http://www.helloitzi.co.uk
rom: "David Butcher" , 25 Sep 2006 02:10:47
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: [backlash] 1. The law of unintended
> consequences 2. Reading
> > >Evening Post
> > >
> > >My point exactly I think
> > >
> > >>
> > >>How does that "respect" us and our rights?
> > >>
> > >>Cheers,
> > >>Graham.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>If you want to share pictures, use the calendar,
> or start a vote
> > >>visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
> > >>
> > >>To leave the Group, email:
> Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
> > >>
> > >>Report abuse
> >
>
>>http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D5876
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>No virus found in this incoming message.
> > >>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > >>Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.6/453
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>___________________________________________________________
> > >To help you stay safe and secure online, we've
> developed the all new Yahoo!
> > >Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >If you want to share pictures, use the calendar,
> or start a vote
> > >visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
> > >
> > >To leave the Group, email:
> Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
> > >
> > >Report abuse
> >
>
>http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D5883
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or
> start a vote
> visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
>
> To leave the Group, email:
> Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
>
> Report abuse
>
http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D5889
>
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com
Graham Marsden, 25 Sep 2006 03:13:19
Hi there,
stuart andrews wrote:
> The supporters of the proposed legislation will try
> all sorts of media tricks to get the law passed
> through Parliament, including holding press
> conferences to " concerned " MPs and will doubtless,
> include presentations of " shock-horror" stills culled
> from a wide source of websites and other sources.
> Expect a pathetic series of so-called victims of such
> material to be trotted out at suitable moments.
Good points. IMO the best way to counter this is by getting a lot of
female speakers eg from FAC or just "general BDSMers" to say "I support
Safe, Sane, Consensual BDSM".
> We need to counter this by good PR. The Backlash
> campaign has already done great things, but when it
> comes to press conferences, a sober one-two minute
> video would be of great benefit. For the end credits
> -a simple whole screen title " Keep the government out
> of our bedrooms " would suffice.
I agree. I think, as I've mentioned before, we also need to say (or
imply) that those who are pushing this legislation are actually pushing
an anti-porn agenda and just using this tragic accident (not murder) as
a convenient bandwagon.
> Make the video, make it appear conservative and sober
> and include a close up Talking head head our barrister
> warning of the legal damage the Bill would cause to ECHR.
Yep, that will help with credibility.
> -BTW, get a camera crew down to the Skin Two Expo if,
> necessary outside, and get some good quotes from
> stylish and intelligent people .
A very good suggestion.
> So start thinking of how you maximize your press
> conferences, wear your best suit ( not leathers ...)
> and select your best speakers who can field questions.
> Each member of the teams will have to make a one min
> presentation of his/her qualifications and concerns
> over the civil liberties implications of the Home
> Office proposals. Rehearse a snappy series of one
> liners, to be used if questions become too difficult.
> ie. "This is the governments that lied to Parliament
> and sent us to war in Iraqi on a lie. How can we trust
> our civil liberties to such a discredited
> administration ?" .
Agreed. We talked about this back at the start of the campaign, ie the
need for some good soundbites because whilst reasonable arguments are
all very well, they don't get the mainstream news coverage.
Cheers,
Graham.
demolitionred, 25 Sep 2006 09:20:08
sorry I have come into this so late....
But I have been thinking ot would be good to have one shot in the style of the trailer for 1984...
with a voiceover about the new laws....
http://videodetective.com/default.asp?frame=http://videodetective.com/trailer-preview.asp?customerid=97135&publishedid=1820
Graham Marsden, 25 Sep 2006 12:59:53
Hi there,
demolitionred@yahoo.com wrote:
> But I have been thinking ot would be good to have one shot in
> the style of the trailer for 1984...
>
> with a voiceover about the new laws....
Interesting suggestion, especially as we could point up the aspect of
"thought crime" that this law would introduce.
Cheers,
Graham.
rosalee, 25 Sep 2006 14:39:07
I like the idea of some reference to 1984 too. It seems very apt, not only as far as the violent porn proposals go, but as a general statement about the increased state interference and erosion of civil liberties that seems to be happening now.
Ginny
Author wrote:
> sorry I have come into this so late....
> But I have been thinking ot would be good to have one shot in the style of the trailer for 1984...
> with a voiceover about the new laws....
> http://videodetective.com/default.asp?frame=http://videodetective.com/trailer-preview.asp?customerid=97135&publishedid=1820
Ms_Tytania, 26 Sep 2006 06:13:42
Hi Dem_Red,
thanks for your suggestion. I clicked on the link to tha 1984 trailer, but I
couldn't find the trailer itself. I'd be very interested in watching it.
Itzi
http://www.helloitzi.co.uk
demolitionred@yahoo.com, 26 Sep 2006 06:13:42
>Subject: Re: [backlash] this is a public announcement...
>
>sorry I have come into this so late....
>
>
>But I have been thinking ot would be good to have one shot in the style of
>the trailer for 1984...
>
>
>with a voiceover about the new laws....
>
>
>http://videodetective.com/default.asp?frame=http://videodetective.com/trailer-preview.asp?customerid=97135&publishedid=1820
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
>visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
>
>To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
>
>Report abuse
>http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D5902
Ms_Tytania, 26 Sep 2006 11:15:15
Hi all,
"thought crime" is one of the concepts we have pencilled down as "to
include" in the video. I'll send you all a draft tomorrow evening or
wednesday at the latest.
Itzi
http://www.helloitzi.co.uk
graham , 26 Sep 2006 11:15:15
>Subject: Re: [backlash] this is a public announcement...
>
>Hi there,
>
>demolitionred@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>But I have been thinking ot would be good to have one shot in
> > the style of the trailer for 1984...
>>
>>with a voiceover about the new laws....
>
>Interesting suggestion, especially as we could point up the aspect of
>"thought crime" that this law would introduce.
>
>Cheers,
>Graham.
>
>
>
>
>--
>If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
>visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
>
>To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
>
>Report abuse
>http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D5904
Paul Tavener, 26 Sep 2006 23:03:24
I collected these quotes from 1984 and Alice in Wonderland last year with the ides of using them to humorous effect but never got round to it. Perhaps they might be of some use now. I particularly like the last one from 1984 -
"the essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty."
This might also be a good one:
How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.
(Adolf Hitler)
Page 37
It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. ‘Reality control’, they called it: in Newspeak, ‘doublethink’.
Page 46, 137
Pornosec
Page 57
For the rest it was just a noise, a quack-quack-quacking. And yet, though you could not actually hear what the man was saying, you could not be in any doubt about its general nature.
As he watched the eyeless face with the jaw moving rapidly up and down, Winston had a curious feeling that this was not a real human being but some kind of dummy. It was not a man’s brain that was speaking, it was his larynx. The stuff that was coming out of him consisted of words, but it was not speech in the true sense: it was a noise uttered in unconsciousness, like the quacking of a duck.
(Example of quackspeak)
Page 68
The aim of the Party was not merely to prevent men and women from forming loyalties which it might not be able to control. Its real, undeclared purpose was to remove all pleasure from the sexual act. Not love so much as eroticism was the enemy, inside marriage as well as outside it.
Page 69
The only recognised purpose of marriage was to beget children for the service of the party. Sexual intercourse was to be looked on as a slightly disgusting minor operation, like having an enema. This again was never put into plain words, but in an indirect way was rubbed into every party member from childhood onwards.
Page 83
It was as though some huge force were pressing down on you – something that penetrated inside your skull, battering against your brain, frightening you out of your beliefs, persuading you, almost, to deny the evidence of your senses. In the end the party would announce that two and two made five, and your would have to believe it.
Page 85
It was assumed that when he was not working, eating or sleeping he would be taking part in some kind of communal recreation: to do anything that suggested a taste for solitude, even to go for a walk by yourself, was always slightly dangerous. There was a word for it in Newspeak: ownlife, it was called, meaning individualism and eccentricity.
Page 163
In a way, the world view of the party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening.
Page 221
This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all of the rest and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.
Page 223
Doublethink lies at the very heart of Ingsoc, since the essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty.
Three key bodies in 1984: The ministry of Truth, the ministry of love and the thought police.
Quotes from Alice in Wonderland which might also be of use somewhere:
`I've a right to think,' said Alice sharply, for she was
beginning to feel a little worried.
`Just about as much right,' said the Duchess, `as pigs have to fly;and the m--'
But here, to Alice's great surprise, the Duchess's voice died
away, even in the middle of her favourite word `moral,'
Alice felt dreadfully puzzled. The Hatter's remark seemed to
have no sort of meaning in it, and yet it was certainly English.
`I don't quite understand you,' she said, as politely as she
could.
Quote from the King of hearts
`If there's no meaning in it,' said the King, `that saves a
world of trouble, you know, as we needn't try to find any.
`If everybody minded their own business,' the Duchess said in a
hoarse growl, `the world would go round a deal faster than it
does.'
Speak English!' said the Eaglet. `I don't know the meaning of
half those long words, and, what's more, I don't believe you do
either!'
The executioner's argument was, that you couldn't cut off a
head unless there was a body to cut it off from: that he had
never had to do such a thing before, and he wasn't going to begin
at HIS time of life.
The King's argument was, that anything that had a head could be
beheaded, and that you weren't to talk nonsense.
The Queen's argument was, that if something wasn't done about
it in less than no time she'd have everybody executed, all round.
(It was this last remark that had made the whole party look so
grave and anxious.)
Finaly a few quotes from Adolf Hitler
What good fortune for governments that the people do not think.
Success is the sole earthly judge of right and wrong.
The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.
The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.
The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.
The victor will never be asked if he told the truth.
adrian, 27 Sep 2006 07:39:53
Here's a wonderful quote on the Australian-based site http://libertus.net
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an
endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H.L. Mencken
David Thomson, 27 Sep 2006 17:08:16
Mencken was a hoot. Bliar would have given him material for many volumes.
Author wrote:
> Here's a wonderful quote on the Australian-based site http://libertus.net
> "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
> (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an
> endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
> - H.L. Mencken
*** This message has been edited by David Thomson on 27 Sep 2006 21:35:30 ***
demolitionred, 29 Sep 2006 15:44:07
Tytania, it is a bit confusing but if you do a search for trailer and 1984 on the web you'll find it.
if not, I know enidaxe from the graphics list downloaded the film of the net recently....
I do think if done properly this can be done for mass appeal and without any reference to BDSM show just how far this law is planning to go.
1984 is a massive cultural reference point and will hit home.
we are planning a press conference soon and there are places in the media that would use the footage if done well.
One thing we don't want -- as a campaign-- to get caugt up on is BDSM.
It won't be easy for MPs to support our cause on that front.
It will be much easier if you talk about civil liberties.
I have some quotes from academics, from the QC, from Liberty, the BBFC you can use...
It might also be useful -- in the context of the 1984 idea -- to look at what the feminist, the polcie Martin Saletr ahve been saying..
e.g. on Radio 5, John Carr said that it doesn't matter that the law is bnot clear because it will be defined in the courts....
I'm sure media watch have a few quotes that would terrify even a quite protectionist audience.
To be truly effective, the film has to appeal to a wide audince and make many, many peopel wnat to talkj about it, forward it to their friends.
the message has to be simply, to the point.....
The alternative is to do a comedy....Carry on often took the rip out of interfering police and the governent trying to stop us doing stuff...there are also some ant-feminist angles in those fils that may get an audience's interest....thogh that is more difficult a tack to take.....