Bed time reading on the JCHR
rovacs, 16 Sep 2006 19:10:41
How does the Joint Committee on Human Rights function in practice? Their role in the scrutinizing of proposed legislation and related matters on the human rights scene can be read about at the site linked below. This is a long piece and some can be skipped,but it seems essential to an understanding of how this business works.
The loud and clear message relating to these proposals is that the Committee needs to get on this badly. They need to be aware such sloppy,draconian, police state,human rights murdering legislation is in the pipeline as a major criminal legislative proposal. With a lot of legislation incompatibility with HR is more "muddy"-unclear. To me the EVP stuff seems to screech incompatibility all over the place. And I think the issue has been totally ignored by HMG. For this Govt has got away with so many things unscathed for so long,it thinks it can get away with anything-thus we have something which should never have been considered for a moment like this legislation hurtling forward, oblivious to supposedly solemn guarantees made about the sterling way the UK will defend human rights to the death so sanctimoniously made by Tone's bunch. They may well get away with this too,and they certainly will if no efforts are made to stop them-thru appropriate channels. And the channels are most likely the Joint Committee at this stage. It will move to the courts here or abroad if this insanity becomes a statute.
It would seem that the more letters from the public or organizations the JC get the better. Then it is much more likely to be scrutinized and have the level of a critical eye re human rights it so richly merits. And the meretricious,devious,myth laden propaganda may well be put to sleep too if there is any integrity left in our ruling elite(?!).
So everyone and their cat needs to be making sure the Committee get on the case of the EVP proposals.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200506/jtselect/jtrights/239/23902.htm
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Paul Tavener, 16 Sep 2006 19:32:28
I would agree. It would be good if someone could summarise all of the key HRA issues with these proposals. The JCHR ought to have as much ammunition as we can supply.
Author wrote:
> How does the Joint Committee on Human Rights function in practice? Their role in the scrutinizing of proposed legislation and related matters on the human rights scene can be read about at the site linked below. This is a long piece and some can be skipped,but it seems essential to an understanding of how this business works.
> The loud and clear message relating to these proposals is that the Committee needs to get on this badly. They need to be aware such sloppy,draconian, police state,human rights murdering legislation is in the pipeline as a major criminal legislative proposal. With a lot of legislation incompatibility with HR is more "muddy"-unclear. To me the EVP stuff seems to screech incompatibility all over the place. And I think the issue has been totally ignored by HMG. For this Govt has got away with so many things unscathed for so long,it thinks it can get away with anything-thus we have something which should never have been considered for a moment like this legislation hurtling forward oblivious to supposedly solemn guarantees made about the sterling way the UK will defend human rights to the death that have been so sanctimoniously made by Tone's bunch. They may well get away with this too,and they certainly will if no efforts are made to stop them-thru appropriate channels. And the channels are most likely the Joint Committee at this stage. It will move to the courts here or abroad if this insanity becomes a statute.
> It would seem that the more letters from the public or organizations the JC get the better. Then it is much more likely to be scrutinized and have the level of a critical eye re human rights it so richly merits. And the meretricious,devious,myth laden propaganda may well be put to sleep too if there is any integrity left in our ruling elite(?!).
> So everyone and their cat needs to be making sure the Committee get on the case of the EVP proposals.
> http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200506/jtselect/jtrights/239/23902.htm
rovacs, 16 Sep 2006 20:42:29
In fact good old Rabinder,who has the kudos of his job along with it,provides an excellent one. The Committee must all see it. There are some slight revisions needed in the light of the "Response",but much is still right on. The detail,the precedents are there. The likes of us would probably have had to spend years digging out some of it. His report was probably deviously omitted from the Consultation on the "technicality" that it doesn't actually address the biased questions in the CP,just gives them both barrells on the HR implications. I have tried to point out on this board these HR matters have been literally ignored/suppressed by HMG. Whether by conscious design I don't know-ignorance or arrogance? The issue does not figure at all in the Response,yet Coaker or his successor will have to stand up in Parliament and assure them the legislation is compatible with human rights obligations(its in the HR Act-they must!)or deliver the Bliar's disintegrating halo another wallop by saying "it isn't compatible,but we're doing it anyway".
There is plenty to chew on here for the JC. I'm not sure about the Chairman,but one or 2 members have good libertarian credentials. Lord Campbell I think,is one,an old Tory bloke who seems to show he cares a bit about our liberties being blagged. But,as they say,there's need for further study on the Committee.
Author wrote:
> I would agree. It would be good if someone could summarise all of the key HRA issues with these proposals. The JCHR ought to have as much ammunition as we can supply.
> Author wrote:
> > How does the Joint Committee on Human Rights function in practice? Their role in the scrutinizing of proposed legislation and related matters on the human rights scene can be read about at the site linked below. This is a long piece and some can be skipped,but it seems essential to an understanding of how this business works.
> > The loud and clear message relating to these proposals is that the Committee needs to get on this badly. They need to be aware such sloppy,draconian, police state,human rights murdering legislation is in the pipeline as a major criminal legislative proposal. With a lot of legislation incompatibility with HR is more "muddy"-unclear. To me the EVP stuff seems to screech incompatibility all over the place. And I think the issue has been totally ignored by HMG. For this Govt has got away with so many things unscathed for so long,it thinks it can get away with anything-thus we have something which should never have been considered for a moment like this legislation hurtling forward oblivious to supposedly solemn guarantees made about the sterling way the UK will defend human rights to the death that have been so sanctimoniously made by Tone's bunch. They may well get away with this too,and they certainly will if no efforts are made to stop them-thru appropriate channels. And the channels are most likely the Joint Committee at this stage. It will move to the courts here or abroad if this insanity becomes a statute.
> > It would seem that the more letters from the public or organizations the JC get the better. Then it is much more likely to be scrutinized and have the level of a critical eye re human rights it so richly merits. And the meretricious,devious,myth laden propaganda may well be put to sleep too if there is any integrity left in our ruling elite(?!).
> > So everyone and their cat needs to be making sure the Committee get on the case of the EVP proposals.
> > http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200506/jtselect/jtrights/239/23902.htm
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Paul Tavener, 17 Sep 2006 23:20:07
A good point Rabinder's document should be sent preferably with a little thought given to the changes the Government have made in their response pointing out how what was said is still valid, and also preferably by someone who has not already sent something to the JCHR. Any takers?
Author wrote:
> In fact good old Rabinder,who has the kudos of his job along with it,provides an excellent one. The Committee must all see it. There are some slight revisions needed in the light of the "Response",but much is still right on. The detail,the precedents are there. The likes of us would probably have had to spend years digging out some of it. His report was probably deviously omitted from the Consultation on the "technicality" that it doesn't actually address the biased questions in the CP,just gives them both barrells on the HR implications. I have tried to point out on this board these HR matters have been literally ignored/suppressed by HMG. Whether by conscious design I don't know-ignorance or arrogance? The issue does not figure at all in the Response,yet Coaker or his successor will have to stand up in Parliament and assure them the legislation is compatible with human rights obligations(its in the HR Act-they must!)or deliver the Bliar's disintegrating halo another wallop by saying "it isn't compatible,but we're doing it anyway".
> There is plenty to chew on here for the JC. I'm not sure about the Chairman,but one or 2 members have good libertarian credentials. Lord Campbell I think,is one,an old Tory bloke who seems to show he cares a bit about our liberties being blagged. But,as they say,there's need for further study on the Committee.
> Author wrote:
> > I would agree. It would be good if someone could summarise all of the key HRA issues with these proposals. The JCHR ought to have as much ammunition as we can supply.
> > Author wrote:
> > > How does the Joint Committee on Human Rights function in practice? Their role in the scrutinizing of proposed legislation and related matters on the human rights scene can be read about at the site linked below. This is a long piece and some can be skipped,but it seems essential to an understanding of how this business works.
> > > The loud and clear message relating to these proposals is that the Committee needs to get on this badly. They need to be aware such sloppy,draconian, police state,human rights murdering legislation is in the pipeline as a major criminal legislative proposal. With a lot of legislation incompatibility with HR is more "muddy"-unclear. To me the EVP stuff seems to screech incompatibility all over the place. And I think the issue has been totally ignored by HMG. For this Govt has got away with so many things unscathed for so long,it thinks it can get away with anything-thus we have something which should never have been considered for a moment like this legislation hurtling forward oblivious to supposedly solemn guarantees made about the sterling way the UK will defend human rights to the death that have been so sanctimoniously made by Tone's bunch. They may well get away with this too,and they certainly will if no efforts are made to stop them-thru appropriate channels. And the channels are most likely the Joint Committee at this stage. It will move to the courts here or abroad if this insanity becomes a statute.
> > > It would seem that the more letters from the public or organizations the JC get the better. Then it is much more likely to be scrutinized and have the level of a critical eye re human rights it so richly merits. And the meretricious,devious,myth laden propaganda may well be put to sleep too if there is any integrity left in our ruling elite(?!).
> > > So everyone and their cat needs to be making sure the Committee get on the case of the EVP proposals.
> > > http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200506/jtselect/jtrights/239/23902.htm
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