Still no link to the petition on backlash website...
Ben, 05 Sep 2006 23:18:13
I know that this site isn't looked at as much as the informed consent pages, but I suggested this days ago. I really can't see any reason why the petition link shouldn't go on the 'How you can help' pages. Come on people, it would take 5 minutes!
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Teddy, 05 Sep 2006 23:48:39
As I understood it, the original petition got to a few hundred and then it dried up (I am willing to stand corrected on this!)...the wording wasn't the best either IMO. This might possibly require a re-think; we will only get numbers approaching the JLT petition if this has a more mainstream audience and appeal, rather than just the campaign groups comprising Backlash. Very difficult, in other words; with no-one like Salter or those sycophantic "charities" on our side.
T.
Author wrote:
> I know that this site isn't looked at as much as the informed consent pages, but I suggested this days ago. I really can't see any reason why the petition link shouldn't go on the 'How you can help' pages. Come on people, it would take 5 minutes!
demolitionred, 06 Sep 2006 15:47:31
we decided not to put it up on the backlash site because we think it potentially a home goal...
it is linked from FAC and from Unfettered. I asked for it to go on libertarian alliance and sfc but haven't seen it yet.
If you want to link to it advertise it, get people to download it, take it around and get people to sign it, pls do.
I think there are more constructive ways of people using their time...
How many of your friends have written to their MP? blogged about the subject?
I've been doing ths for a year now. most of my posts have been requests for help that was never forthcoming.
backlash now has a number of working mailing lists which you can join if you want to do something...
even a week after the news, these are already dormant...
we need help with graphics, lobbying, blogging, press, with fundraising....you name it...
volunteer@backlash-uk.org.uk
Author wrote:
> As I understood it, the original petition got to a few hundred and then it dried up (I am willing to stand corrected on this!)...the wording wasn't the best either IMO. This might possibly require a re-think; we will only get numbers approaching the JLT petition if this has a more mainstream audience and appeal, rather than just the campaign groups comprising Backlash. Very difficult, in other words; with no-one like Salter or those sycophantic "charities" on our side.
> T.
> Author wrote:
> > I know that this site isn't looked at as much as the informed consent pages, but I suggested this days ago. I really can't see any reason why the petition link shouldn't go on the 'How you can help' pages. Come on people, it would take 5 minutes!
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Ben, 06 Sep 2006 20:44:48
Author wrote:
> we decided not to put it up on the backlash site because we think it potentially a home goal...
In what sense? If you mean because it might retroactively incriminate people, if the law comes into effect, I think that you need a system in place to destroy the petitions if you don't receive enough to make an investigation of all of the petitioners unworkable.
If you mean that you might get too few responses relative to the longhurst petition, then I think that this is a bit defeatist, because a few famous names willing to be publicised as signatories would soon begin to swing it, and it would have a cumulative effect.
I would suggest though that you strip it right down to:
'I oppose the governments proposal to introduce new 'violent pornography' laws as outlined in the consultation paper [reference]'
and leave it at that. Therefore there's no way that people can misinterpret, or claim that the signatories would be in favour a slightly amended version. The pro-law petition, on the other hand, is open to interpretation and I think will look rather silly if we can publicise the truth about 'necrobabes', which is mentioned prominently.
> it is linked from FAC and from Unfettered. I asked for it to go on libertarian alliance and sfc but haven't seen it yet.
I can't see the latter two linking to backlash that prominently either, so I don't think that's particularly surprising, and shouldn't be disheartening.
> If you want to link to it advertise it, get people to download it, take it around and get people to sign it, pls do.
I will, but I'd like to see an amended version up (unless you've had a lot of responses to the first version, in which case better stick with that one, but I'm presuming you haven't, from your lack of enthusiasm for the idea).
> I think there are more constructive ways of people using their time...
> How many of your friends have written to their MP? blogged about the subject?
Let's just say I'm not a member of the BDSM community and I haven't been advocating among my friends and close relations!! I think that you need to get celebrities to stick their necks out first, as it were, before people like me will be willing to advocate or even discuss openly. Since some already have, that's why you need their names on a backlash petition.
> I've been doing ths for a year now. most of my posts have been requests for help that was never forthcoming.
> backlash now has a number of working mailing lists which you can join if you want to do something...
> even a week after the news, these are already dormant...
Sorry to hear that. But as the laws come closer to coming into effect, I'm hopeful the opposition will grow stronger too. If I'm anything like a representative example.
> we need help with graphics, lobbying, blogging, press, with fundraising....you name it...
I'll help as much as I can!
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demolitionred, 06 Sep 2006 21:18:38
we did it last year..we got less than 300 signatures in 6 months. no-one wanted to sign it, no one wanted to go out and ask people to sign it...
since the announcement if new proposals last year , only 30 people have told us they have written to their MPs...hardly a global response.
if you want to contact celebrities you should get in touch with the group already doing that by asking me to add you the blawareist working group.
if you want to get ignatures on the peition, fantastic.
Author wrote:
> Author wrote:
> > we decided not to put it up on the backlash site because we think it potentially a home goal...
> In what sense? If you mean because it might retroactively incriminate people, if the law comes into effect, I think that you need a system in place to destroy the petitions if you don't receive enough to make an investigation of all of the petitioners unworkable.
> If you mean that you might get too few responses relative to the longhurst petition, then I think that this is a bit defeatist, because a few famous names willing to be publicised as signatories would soon begin to swing it, and it would have a cumulative effect.
> I would suggest though that you strip it right down to:
> 'I oppose the governments proposal to introduce new 'violent pornography' laws as outlined in the consultation paper [reference]'
> and leave it at that. Therefore there's no way that people can misinterpret, or claim that the signatories would be in favour a slightly amended version. The pro-law petition, on the other hand, is open to interpretation and I think will look rather silly if we can publicise the truth about 'necrobabes', which is mentioned prominently.
> > it is linked from FAC and from Unfettered. I asked for it to go on libertarian alliance and sfc but haven't seen it yet.
> I can't see the latter two linking to backlash that prominently either, so I don't think that's particularly surprising, and shouldn't be disheartening.
> > If you want to link to it advertise it, get people to download it, take it around and get people to sign it, pls do.
> I will, but I'd like to see an amended version up (unless you've had a lot of responses to the first version, in which case better stick with that one, but I'm presuming you haven't, from your lack of enthusiasm for the idea).
> > I think there are more constructive ways of people using their time...
> > How many of your friends have written to their MP? blogged about the subject?
> Let's just say I'm not a member of the BDSM community and I haven't been advocating among my friends and close relations!! I think that you need to get celebrities to stick their necks out first, as it were, before people like me will be willing to advocate or even discuss openly. Since some already have, that's why you need their names on a backlash petition.
> > I've been doing ths for a year now. most of my posts have been requests for help that was never forthcoming.
> > backlash now has a number of working mailing lists which you can join if you want to do something...
> > even a week after the news, these are already dormant...
> Sorry to hear that. But as the laws come closer to coming into effect, I'm hopeful the opposition will grow stronger too. If I'm anything like a representative example.
> > we need help with graphics, lobbying, blogging, press, with fundraising....you name it...
> I'll help as much as I can!
demolitionred, 06 Sep 2006 21:27:34
> Let's just say I'm not a member of the BDSM community and I haven't been advocating among my friends and close relations!! I think that you need to get celebrities to stick their necks out first, as it were, before people like me will be willing to advocate or even discuss openly. Since some already have, that's why you need their names on a backlash petition.
so you don't want to tell your friends about the campiagn -- which has nothing to do with BDSM btw -- but you think we can persuade thousands of people to put their names and addresses on a petition.
Unfortunately, the government has very successfully put forward proposals that people are largely too scared tooppose in public...hence why a petition was not a good idea.
If, though, you manage to geta few thousand people to sign or get a few celebrities on board then we'll move it onto the main board.
as It is I don't want to go on the news and say large numbers of perople are opposed when we have just a few hundred signatures
Ben, 06 Sep 2006 21:27:48
Ok, please add me to the blawareist group...
Ben, 06 Sep 2006 21:32:53
> so you don't want to tell your friends about the campiagn -- which has nothing to do with BDSM btw
Sorry, but I'm genuinely baffled by that statement, please could you explain in what way it has nothing to do with BDSM, given the many links that have been drawn...?
> If, though, you manage to geta few thousand people to sign or get a few celebrities on board then we'll move it onto the main board.
Again, I'm confused, which is the main board - do you mean the website?
demolitionred, 06 Sep 2006 23:32:23
Author wrote:
> > so you don't want to tell your friends about the campiagn -- which has nothing to do with BDSM btw
> Sorry, but I'm genuinely baffled by that statement, please could you explain in what way it has nothing to do with BDSM, given the many links that have been drawn...?
> > If, though, you manage to geta few thousand people to sign or get a few celebrities on board then we'll move it onto the main board.
> Again, I'm confused, which is the main board - do you mean the website?
this is about civil liberties, about privacy, about increasing public powers, about legislation without evidence, about inaugurating thought crime.
it is not about Jane Longhurst and we have to move the debate away from something that makes people ashamed to something they feel confident to discuss in puclic.
sorry. yes I menat the website.
SnowdropExplodes, 10 Sep 2006 11:22:06
demolitionred@yahoo.com wrote:
I've been doing ths for a year no. most of my posts have been request for help that was never forthcoming.
backalsh now has a number fo working mailing lists which you can jpoin if you want to do something...
even a week afetr trhe news, these are still dormant...
we need help with graphics, lobbying, blogging, press, with fundraising....you name it...
The whole mailing list system seems very confusing, I for one have been put off trying to join during the campaign before the announcement, simply because I wasn't clear on what each one was actually doing.
I've made repeated offers to help, but because I don't know anything about what needs doing except some vague titles like the ones above, I don't know whether I can help, or how, or which mailing list to join, or anything.
For example, I volunteered to do the LibDem conference in Brighton, but nobody told me anything about how to get on with it, what needed doing, who was organising it, and I still don't know whether anybody is actually going to be there now.
I'm guessing a lot of people are just as confused about the organisation of activities as I am.
Ta,
SnowdropExplodes
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demolitionred, 10 Sep 2006 19:22:32
I wrote to you re the libdem conference.
you also volunteered to do some admn work. I mailed you and haven't had a response.
the mailing lists work like forums but just for people who have agreed to do certain tasks. so -- once joined -- if you post, all the other volunteers can read and respond. it is a good place to share ideas and work together....
Author wrote:
> demolitionred@yahoo.com wrote:
> I've been doing ths for a year no. most of my posts have been request for help that was never forthcoming.
> backalsh now has a number fo working mailing lists which you can jpoin if you want to do something...
> even a week afetr trhe news, these are still dormant...
> we need help with graphics, lobbying, blogging, press, with fundraising....you name it...
> The whole mailing list system seems very confusing, I for one have been put off trying to join during the campaign before the announcement, simply because I wasn't clear on what each one was actually doing.
> I've made repeated offers to help, but because I don't know anything about what needs doing except some vague titles like the ones above, I don't know whether I can help, or how, or which mailing list to join, or anything.
> For example, I volunteered to do the LibDem conference in Brighton, but nobody told me anything about how to get on with it, what needed doing, who was organising it, and I still don't know whether anybody is actually going to be there now.
> I'm guessing a lot of people are just as confused about the organisation of activities as I am.
> Ta,
> SnowdropExplodes
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