Contact with Met Police Inspector Bedwell, Obscene Publications Unit
Ian, 14 Sep 2005 12:29:43
At the Conway Hall meeting last Friday, John Lovatt, the Spanner
Trust's solicitor trustee, told the attendees that he was going to be
in touch with Met. Police Inspector Chris Bedwell, Obscene
Publications Unit of C O 14 Clubs & Vice Unit. We had met Inspector
Bedwell earlier this year at two workshops that the Trust had
organised to help further educate the film examiners at the British
Board of Film Classification about BDSM.
John told the attendees last Friday that he would report back when he
had heard from Inspector Bedwell. He has now had a reply to his email
to Inspector Bedwell:
>I have received an e-mail from Inspector Bedwell. He says that he
>would welcome our comments and input and will arrange for my letter
>to be forwarded to the Committee for their views with regards to
>members of the SM community taking part in further consultation. He
>says that as and when he hears anything further he will be in touch with me.
Presumably the "Committee" referred to is the one at the Home Office
involved in the Consultation.
regards
Ian Gurnhill
Spanner Trust trustee
www.spannertrust.org
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demolitionred, 14 Sep 2005 13:03:04
So should we draft a group letter asking that we -- as one or a number of groups -- be consulted and outlining our ocncerns?
Author wrote:
> At the Conway Hall meeting last Friday, John Lovatt, the Spanner
> Trust's solicitor trustee, told the attendees that he was going to be
> in touch with Met. Police Inspector Chris Bedwell, Obscene
> Publications Unit of C O 14 Clubs & Vice Unit. We had met Inspector
> Bedwell earlier this year at two workshops that the Trust had
> organised to help further educate the film examiners at the British
> Board of Film Classification about BDSM.
> John told the attendees last Friday that he would report back when he
> had heard from Inspector Bedwell. He has now had a reply to his email
> to Inspector Bedwell:
> >I have received an e-mail from Inspector Bedwell. He says that he
> >would welcome our comments and input and will arrange for my letter
> >to be forwarded to the Committee for their views with regards to
> >members of the SM community taking part in further consultation. He
> >says that as and when he hears anything further he will be in touch with me.
> Presumably the "Committee" referred to is the one at the Home Office
> involved in the Consultation.
> regards
> Ian Gurnhill
> Spanner Trust trustee
> www.spannertrust.org
> Know the Law, Help Change the Law
Amelie, 14 Sep 2005 13:47:48
sounds like a reasonable idea
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Ian, 14 Sep 2005 23:13:52
Dem Red and others
I've been trying to call John Lovatt this evening to confirm my
understanding of the "committee" that Bedwell refers to. Of course it
might have nothing whatsoever to do with the consultation but be the
Commons Home Affairs Select Committee as it was that about Bedwell
making a presentation to that Committee about which John spoke on
Friday last. I'll let you know when I have clarification from John.
Only then will it become clear whether there is an opening to be
used for a group letter
>should we draft a group letter asking that we -- as one or a number
>of groups -- be consulted and outlining our ocncerns?
From the info that Hessie [the Civil Servant] gave us and the link
to the Cabinet Office Code of Practice for Consultations, it seems
that the Home Office SHOULD have carried out pre-consultation
discussions with interested parties. No one in the BDSM community is
indicating that they received any such approach from the Home Office
before the consultation paper was issued. It may be worth making a
Freedom of Information Act request to the Home Office to learn what
groups / individuals they had discussions with before issuing the
public consultation document. It may well be that no such groups who
would want to oppose the proposed actions were consulted. I know that
the Home Office are being very very slow in responding to FOI
requests and are frequently well outside the required time frame in
giving responses.
I have a look at making such a request when I'm back from Germany at
the end of the month
Ian
At 13:02 14/09/2005, you wrote:
>So should we draft a group letter asking that we -- as one or a
>number of groups -- be consulted and outlining our ocncerns?
>
>
>
>Author wrote:
> > At the Conway Hall meeting last Friday, John Lovatt, the Spanner
> > Trust's solicitor trustee, told the attendees that he was going to be
> > in touch with Met. Police Inspector Chris Bedwell, Obscene
> > Publications Unit of C O 14 Clubs & Vice Unit. We had met Inspector
> > Bedwell earlier this year at two workshops that the Trust had
> > organised to help further educate the film examiners at the British
> > Board of Film Classification about BDSM.
> > John told the attendees last Friday that he would report back when he
> > had heard from Inspector Bedwell. He has now had a reply to his email
> > to Inspector Bedwell:
> > >I have received an e-mail from Inspector Bedwell. He says that he
> > >would welcome our comments and input and will arrange for my letter
> > >to be forwarded to the Committee for their views with regards to
> > >members of the SM community taking part in further consultation. He
> > >says that as and when he hears anything further he will be in
> touch with me.
> > Presumably the "Committee" referred to is the one at the Home Office
> > involved in the Consultation.
> > regards
> > Ian Gurnhill
> > Spanner Trust trustee
> > www.spannertrust.org
> > Know the Law, Help Change the Law
>
>
>
>
>
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Ian, 15 Sep 2005 00:09:29
OK thanks for that Hessie. I'll call them tomorrow
Ian
At 23:30 14/09/2005, you wrote:
>Before making an FOI request, just phone them up and ask! No need to
>make life more difficult than necessary...
>H.
>
>Ian wrote:
>
>>Dem Red and others
>>
>>I've been trying to call John Lovatt this evening to confirm my
>>understanding of the "committee" that Bedwell refers to. Of course it
>>might have nothing whatsoever to do with the consultation but be the
>>Commons Home Affairs Select Committee as it was that about Bedwell
>>making a presentation to that Committee about which John spoke on
>>Friday last. I'll let you know when I have clarification from John.
>>Only then will it become clear whether there is an opening to be
>>used for a group letter
>>
>>>should we draft a group letter asking that we -- as one or a number
>>>of groups -- be consulted and outlining our ocncerns?
>>
>>
>>
>> From the info that Hessie [the Civil Servant] gave us and the link
>>to the Cabinet Office Code of Practice for Consultations, it seems
>>that the Home Office SHOULD have carried out pre-consultation
>>discussions with interested parties. No one in the BDSM community is
>>indicating that they received any such approach from the Home Office
>>before the consultation paper was issued. It may be worth making a
>>Freedom of Information Act request to the Home Office to learn what
>>groups / individuals they had discussions with before issuing the
>>public consultation document. It may well be that no such groups who
>>would want to oppose the proposed actions were consulted. I know that
>>the Home Office are being very very slow in responding to FOI
>>requests and are frequently well outside the required time frame in
>>giving responses.
>>
>>I have a look at making such a request when I'm back from Germany at
>>the end of the month
>>
>>Ian
>>
>>At 13:02 14/09/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>>So should we draft a group letter asking that we -- as one or a
>>>number of groups -- be consulted and outlining our ocncerns?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Author wrote:
>>> > At the Conway Hall meeting last Friday, John Lovatt, the Spanner
>>> > Trust's solicitor trustee, told the attendees that he was going to be
>>> > in touch with Met. Police Inspector Chris Bedwell, Obscene
>>> > Publications Unit of C O 14 Clubs & Vice Unit. We had met Inspector
>>> > Bedwell earlier this year at two workshops that the Trust had
>>> > organised to help further educate the film examiners at the British
>>> > Board of Film Classification about BDSM.
>>> > John told the attendees last Friday that he would report back when he
>>> > had heard from Inspector Bedwell. He has now had a reply to his email
>>> > to Inspector Bedwell:
>>> > >I have received an e-mail from Inspector Bedwell. He says that he
>>> > >would welcome our comments and input and will arrange for my letter
>>> > >to be forwarded to the Committee for their views with regards to
>>> > >members of the SM community taking part in further consultation. He
>>> > >says that as and when he hears anything further he will be in
>>>touch with me.
>>> > Presumably the "Committee" referred to is the one at the Home Office
>>> > involved in the Consultation.
>>> > regards
>>> > Ian Gurnhill
>>> > Spanner Trust trustee
>>> > www.spannertrust.org
>>> > Know the Law, Help Change the Law
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>Ian Gurnhill
>>Spanner Trust trustee
>>www.spannertrust.org
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>>
>>
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