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demolitionred, 21 Aug 2006 14:39:42
a letter to backlash:
I have just read about this proposed law and agree it is ridiculous.
There is one point that is not mentioned on your site, does this law
just
cover images and videos between people or animation and cartoons
aswell?
The material described on your site (BDSM etc) does not interest me but
I do
watch a lot of Anime. If you are unfamilier with Anime, also called
Manga,
it is Japanese animation which differs from Western animation in that
it is
also intended for adults. Most Anime contains violance some of which is
extremely graphic and some also depict sexual acts, there is also a sub
genre of Anime called Hentai which shows almost entirely sexual acts a
lot
of these being non-consensual.
So my question would be is animation that depicts extreme pornography
to be
banned, and would the law be able to distinguish between an animation
that
tells a story and includes sex between one that has been created just
for
arousel?
rovacs, 24 Aug 2006 06:41:39
To our friend the anime lover-and all others living in England/Wales/N.Ireland
According to the Consultation Paper produced by the Home Office in 2005(which basically says that someone who looks at fictional consensual internet sexual violence is comparable to a child porn enthusiast and needs treating the same-flung in jail for years!)this sanctimonious totalitarian twaddle only concerns "realistic depictions" of things, so cartoons,poser etc are not included,nor is the written word. The God bothering Bliar will get round to book burning later no doubt(well actually reader burning,as its the guilty "looker" who he intends to punish from the precedent set by these proposals).
But don't think Manga/cartoons-anything,couldn't end up "criminalized" in future if they pass this outrageous,human rights abusing law and get away with it.
I'm sure the advice of all the people on this board is for you and anyone who wants to stop this evil rubbish to write urgently to the Home Office re their "proposals to criminalize users of extreme violent pornography"-their plot to make criminals of anyone who merely might look at such things. With the departure of the goof minister who dreamt up this stuff,the Home Office seem to be wobbling about what to do-the murder conviction that started it is being appealed against by the convicted man and they have had a load of people writing and opposing the measures proposed-seems they thought they'd get universal approval! The more people who bombard them with protests,the less likely this nasty proposed law has of ever appearing.
Remember-what you like might well be next on the list for this bossy big brother regime of puritans to criminalize.
Author wrote:
> a letter to backlash:
> I have just read about this proposed law and agree it is ridiculous.
> There is one point that is not mentioned on your site, does this law
> just
> cover images and videos between people or animation and cartoons
> aswell?
> The material described on your site (BDSM etc) does not interest me but
> I do
> watch a lot of Anime. If you are unfamilier with Anime, also called
> Manga,
> it is Japanese animation which differs from Western animation in that
> it is
> also intended for adults. Most Anime contains violance some of which is
> extremely graphic and some also depict sexual acts, there is also a sub
> genre of Anime called Hentai which shows almost entirely sexual acts a
> lot
> of these being non-consensual.
> So my question would be is animation that depicts extreme pornography
> to be
> banned, and would the law be able to distinguish between an animation
> that
> tells a story and includes sex between one that has been created just
> for
> arousel?
Graham Marsden, 24 Aug 2006 07:39:51
Hi there,
demolitionred@yahoo.com wrote:
> a letter to backlash:
>
> I have just read about this proposed law and agree it is ridiculous.
>
> There is one point that is not mentioned on your site, does this law
> just cover images and videos between people or animation and cartoons
> as well?
An interesting question.
As far as I can see, the legislation says "Realistic depictions", but
whether that would actually include drawings/ animations or not is
something that we probably wouldn't find out until and if the
legislation actually went to press.
However if we can get more people to object to these proposals, that
can't be a bad thing, so taking a "worst case" position could help.
Talking of "realistic depictions", how about statues or images of a
bloke nailed to a cross...?!
Cheers,
Graham.
rovacs, 24 Aug 2006 20:53:07
whether that would actually include drawings/ animations or not is
> something that we probably wouldn't find out until and if the
> legislation actually went to press.
On p11 of the Consultation Paper it says-
"The intention is also only to cover actual images or realistic depictions of the activity indicated (but not for example text or cartoons)"
Talking of "realistic depictions", how about statues or images of a
> bloke nailed to a cross...?!
This of course ain't "sexual" which is what these totalitarian ninnies are so obsessed with.
Author wrote:
> Hi there,
> demolitionred@yahoo.com wrote:
> > a letter to backlash:
> >
> > I have just read about this proposed law and agree it is ridiculous.
> >
> > There is one point that is not mentioned on your site, does this law
> > just cover images and videos between people or animation and cartoons
> > as well?
> An interesting question.
> As far as I can see, the legislation says "Realistic depictions", but
> whether that would actually include drawings/ animations or not is
> something that we probably wouldn't find out until and if the
> legislation actually went to press.
> However if we can get more people to object to these proposals, that
> can't be a bad thing, so taking a "worst case" position could help.
> Talking of "realistic depictions", how about statues or images of a
> bloke nailed to a cross...?!
> Cheers,
> Graham.
Mirius, 04 Sep 2006 12:37:38
Para 38 of the original consultation document specifically excluded cartoons
from the realistic depictions. Has this changed and if so where would I
find the more up to date amendments? I'm sure I've seen amendments shown
somewhere but I don't seem to be able to find them at the moment.
----- Original Message -----
>> There is one point that is not mentioned on your site, does this law
>> just cover images and videos between people or animation and cartoons
>> as well?
>
> An interesting question.
>
> As far as I can see, the legislation says "Realistic depictions", but
> whether that would actually include drawings/ animations or not is
> something that we probably wouldn't find out until and if the
> legislation actually went to press.
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rovacs, 04 Sep 2006 20:29:01
Have a look at the response doc on the Home Office site. From what I recall it now just talks of realistic depictions. I wouldn't put it past this shower to have forgotten about cartoons etc or lost the relevant pages so it's not there! I regard any attempt to include anything other than "real people" getting treated very violently in some sexual scenario in all this as a recipe for prosecutions based on idiocies which would be laughed out of Court("..he watched "Totally spies" and the "Powerpuff girls" ladies and gentlemen of the jury, violent missies who are in the case of Alex quite sexy I think-hurry, throw away the key,lock him up in Mr.Bliar's gulag!").
But the very fact this is going on at all is so mad who knows what may come-at the top of the pack who are proposing this is a psycho who sees "clear evidence" of weapons which there is no evidence exist and starts big nasty wars on the basis of his fantasies.
Oh how I warned people!
Author wrote:
> Para 38 of the original consultation document specifically excluded cartoons
> from the realistic depictions. Has this changed and if so where would I
> find the more up to date amendments? I'm sure I've seen amendments shown
> somewhere but I don't seem to be able to find them at the moment.
> ----- Original Message -----
> >> There is one point that is not mentioned on your site, does this law
> >> just cover images and videos between people or animation and cartoons
> >> as well?
> >
> > An interesting question.
> >
> > As far as I can see, the legislation says "Realistic depictions", but
> > whether that would actually include drawings/ animations or not is
> > something that we probably wouldn't find out until and if the
> > legislation actually went to press.
> ___________________________________________________________
> Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal
> http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
deno, 04 Sep 2006 21:28:24
In a message dated 04/09/2006 20:22:22 GMT Standard Time,
mrlucky@fastermail.com writes:
>Have a look at the response doc on the Home Office site. From what I recall
it now just talks of realistic depictions. I wouldn't put it past this
shower to have forgotten about cartoons etc or lost the relevant pages so it's not
there! I regard any attempt to include anything other than "real people"
getting treated very violently in some sexual scenario in all this as a recipe
for prosecutions based on idiocies which would be laughed out of Court("..he
watched "Totally spies" and the "Powerpuff girls" ladies and gentlemen of the
jury, violent missies who are in the case of Alex quite sexy I think-hurry,
throw away the key,lock him up in Mr.Bliar's gulag!").
But the very fact this is going on at all is so mad who knows what may
come-at the top of the pack who are proposing this is a psycho who sees "clear
evidence" of weapons which there is no evidence exist and starts big nasty wars
on the basis of his fantasies.
Oh how I warned people!<
Was it his fantasy or did he just grovel to his Master Dubya?
Heard on the radio yesterday that the estimate of Iraqi deaths is 70,000.
If anyone else had done this it might be called genocide and the culprits
captured and tried.
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Teddy, 04 Sep 2006 21:43:12
The BBC commented on the realism of many contemporary cartoons in their response. One hopes this doesn't mean the HO have slipped this into the scope now!
T.
Author wrote:
> Have a look at the response doc on the Home Office site. From what I recall it now just talks of realistic depictions. I wouldn't put it past this shower to have forgotten about cartoons etc or lost the relevant pages so it's not there! I regard any attempt to include anything other than "real people" getting treated very violently in some sexual scenario in all this as a recipe for prosecutions based on idiocies which would be laughed out of Court("..he watched "Totally spies" and the "Powerpuff girls" ladies and gentlemen of the jury, violent missies who are in the case of Alex quite sexy I think-hurry, throw away the key,lock him up in Mr.Bliar's gulag!").
> But the very fact this is going on at all is so mad who knows what may come-at the top of the pack who are proposing this is a psycho who sees "clear evidence" of weapons which there is no evidence exist and starts big nasty wars on the basis of his fantasies.
> Oh how I warned people!
> Author wrote:
> > Para 38 of the original consultation document specifically excluded cartoons
> > from the realistic depictions. Has this changed and if so where would I
> > find the more up to date amendments? I'm sure I've seen amendments shown
> > somewhere but I don't seem to be able to find them at the moment.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> There is one point that is not mentioned on your site, does this law
> > >> just cover images and videos between people or animation and cartoons
> > >> as well?
> > >
> > > An interesting question.
> > >
> > > As far as I can see, the legislation says "Realistic depictions", but
> > > whether that would actually include drawings/ animations or not is
> > > something that we probably wouldn't find out until and if the
> > > legislation actually went to press.
> > ___________________________________________________________
> > Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal
> > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
>
>
rovacs, 05 Sep 2006 02:03:26
Just awful-its like I want to apologise to the Iraqis somehow and say I had no part at all in what my "country" has done to theirs. How many are blown to bits day after day because of what has been unleashed by a pair of....
uthor wrote:
> In a message dated 04/09/2006 20:22:22 GMT Standard Time,
> mrlucky@fastermail.com writes:
> >Have a look at the response doc on the Home Office site. From what I recall
> it now just talks of realistic depictions. I wouldn't put it past this
> shower to have forgotten about cartoons etc or lost the relevant pages so it's not
> there! I regard any attempt to include anything other than "real people"
> getting treated very violently in some sexual scenario in all this as a recipe
> for prosecutions based on idiocies which would be laughed out of Court("..he
> watched "Totally spies" and the "Powerpuff girls" ladies and gentlemen of the
> jury, violent missies who are in the case of Alex quite sexy I think-hurry,
> throw away the key,lock him up in Mr.Bliar's gulag!").
> But the very fact this is going on at all is so mad who knows what may
> come-at the top of the pack who are proposing this is a psycho who sees "clear
> evidence" of weapons which there is no evidence exist and starts big nasty wars
> on the basis of his fantasies.
> Oh how I warned people!<
> Was it his fantasy or did he just grovel to his Master Dubya?
> Heard on the radio yesterday that the estimate of Iraqi deaths is 70,000.
> If anyone else had done this it might be called genocide and the culprits
> captured and tried.
phantom, 09 Sep 2006 12:30:17
don't think so... believe it goes back to the BBC's own consultation
response... they asked where the line would be drawn between what
constitutes
a cartoon and what is a realistic depiction... this was largely angled at
the status the 3d computer animations which are looking increasingly
realistic... programs like 'walking with dinosaurs', etc were mentioned to
illustrate the problem of this animated quasi reality...
naturally, the Home Office provided no further public clarification on this
issue...
Phantom
-----Original Message-----
Teddysmith2@hotmail.co.uk [mailto:Teddysmith2@hotmail.co.uk], 09 Sep 2006 12:30:17
Sent: 04 September 2006 21:36
The BBC commented on the realism of many contemporary cartoons in their
response. One hopes this doesn't mean the HO have slipped this into the
scope now!
T.
Author wrote:
> Have a look at the response doc on the Home Office site. From what I
recall it now just talks of realistic depictions. I wouldn't put it past
this shower to have forgotten about cartoons etc or lost the relevant pages
so it's not there! I regard any attempt to include anything other than "real
people" getting treated very violently in some sexual scenario in all this
as a recipe for prosecutions based on idiocies which would be laughed out of
Court("..he watched "Totally spies" and the "Powerpuff girls" ladies and
gentlemen of the jury, violent missies who are in the case of Alex quite
sexy I think-hurry, throw away the key,lock him up in Mr.Bliar's gulag!").
> But the very fact this is going on at all is so mad who knows what may
come-at the top of the pack who are proposing this is a psycho who sees
"clear evidence" of weapons which there is no evidence exist and starts big
nasty wars on the basis of his fantasies.
> Oh how I warned people!
> Author wrote:
> > Para 38 of the original consultation document specifically excluded
cartoons
> > from the realistic depictions. Has this changed and if so where would I
> > find the more up to date amendments? I'm sure I've seen amendments
shown
> > somewhere but I don't seem to be able to find them at the moment.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> There is one point that is not mentioned on your site, does this law
> > >> just cover images and videos between people or animation and cartoons
> > >> as well?
> > >
> > > An interesting question.
> > >
> > > As far as I can see, the legislation says "Realistic depictions", but
> > > whether that would actually include drawings/ animations or not is
> > > something that we probably wouldn't find out until and if the
> > > legislation actually went to press.
> > ___________________________________________________________
> > Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to
use" - The Wall Street Journal
> > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
>
>
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