Some folks had no idea
Teddy, 11 Aug 2006 01:11:50
The laws in a "free county" are meant to be concerned with justice; the trouble with victim's families being given centre stage in this way is that new laws can become more about retribution. This is the kind of thing we are up against-
http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/1500columnists/tm_objectid=15920061&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=comment--reading-chronicle-name_page.html
If it weren't so serious a matter, it would be laughable...
T.
Author wrote:
> Yep and any so called "offence" will be an non crime invented purely to mollify mrs longhurst.
> Author wrote:
> > Yes, there will be those who will not even know they were commiting an offence caught up in all this, if legislation goes through. It is still quite surprising that many users of these sites in the UK haven't heard, given some of the media coverage last year...
> > T.
> > Author wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > I've been getting feedback from my warnings posted around asphix and other fantasy groups. There sure are a lot of people out there who had no idea what was going on ie no idea that they are very likely to become persecuted social pariahs. I makes me want to weep!
> > > Todd
demolitionred, 11 Aug 2006 09:53:36
which is why we need to get more people active in the campaign
what with this and my involvement with Kinkfest I'm suffering from burnout.
we need to organise fringe meetings for the upcoming conference season, fundraising, we need to find groups that will publicise our campaigmn, we need opeopel to help with the media work etc, etc....
in fact, I'd be greatful for any volunteers who are willing to do anything at all..
Paul Tavener, 11 Aug 2006 19:52:58
I will do what I can - I don't know much about "fringe groups", but I'm willing to lend a hand if people have specific tasks they need carried out.
Author wrote:
> which is why we need to get more people active in the campaign
> what with this and my involvement with Kinkfest I'm suffering from burnout.
> we need to organise fringe meetings for the upcoming conference season, fundraising, we need to find groups that will publicise our campaigmn, we need opeopel to help with the media work etc, etc....
> in fact, I'd be greatful for any volunteers who are willing to do anything at all..
Paul Tavener, 11 Aug 2006 19:55:20
They need to be warned and they need to be involved. If/when the time comes there will be a need for a lot more people to become involved - make sure you have their contact details to hand.
Author wrote:
> Hi
> I've been getting feedback from my warnings posted around asphix and other fantasy groups. There sure are a lot of people out there who had no idea what was going on ie no idea that they are very likely to become persecuted social pariahs. I makes me want to weep!
> Todd
rovacs, 12 Aug 2006 00:10:55
If Coutts makes a successful appeal and has his conviction reduced to manslaughter on the grounds that the death was accidental thru consensual activity,Jane Longhurst might well have been sent to prison herself under Blair's abusive fascistic proposed law which Mrs Longhurst has spoken of as a "tribute" to her daughter. Such irony. I would have more symathy for this woman if she wasn't collaborating with the
Author wrote:
> Yep and any so called "offence" will be an non crime invented purely to mollify mrs longhurst.
> Author wrote:
> > Yes, there will be those who will not even know they were commiting an offence caught up in all this, if legislation goes through. It is still quite surprising that many users of these sites in the UK haven't heard, given some of the media coverage last year...
> > T.
> > Author wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > I've been getting feedback from my warnings posted around asphix and other fantasy groups. There sure are a lot of people out there who had no idea what was going on ie no idea that they are very likely to become persecuted social pariahs. I makes me want to weep!
> > > Todd
rovacs, 12 Aug 2006 00:17:26
If Coutts makes a successful appeal and has his conviction reduced to manslaughter on the grounds that the death was accidental thru consensual activity,Jane Longhurst might well have been sent to prison herself under Blair's abusive fascistic proposed law-which Mrs Longhurst has spoken of as a "tribute" to her daughter. Such irony. I would have more sympathy for this woman if she wasn't collaborating with the Blair regime's wicked proposals to further the ir agenda of creating a surveillance obsessed police state involving the imprisonment of harmless people.
Author wrote:
> Yep and any so called "offence" will be an non crime invented purely to mollify mrs longhurst.
> Author wrote:
> > Yes, there will be those who will not even know they were commiting an offence caught up in all this, if legislation goes through. It is still quite surprising that many users of these sites in the UK haven't heard, given some of the media coverage last year...
> > T.
> > Author wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > I've been getting feedback from my warnings posted around asphix and other fantasy groups. There sure are a lot of people out there who had no idea what was going on ie no idea that they are very likely to become persecuted social pariahs. I makes me want to weep!
> > > Todd
Teddy, 12 Aug 2006 03:54:29
I think we should let the law take it's course over the Coutt's case. Our campaign has much broader horizons and social implications than one anecdotal case. (IMO)
However, I would agree that the spectre of Mrs Longhurst really casts a shadow over things. The prospect of the HO mob denying her "victory" here must be an unfortunate factor in the decisions currently being made.
T.
Author wrote:
> If Coutts makes a successful appeal and has his conviction reduced to manslaughter on the grounds that the death was accidental thru consensual activity,Jane Longhurst might well have been sent to prison herself under Blair's abusive fascistic proposed law-which Mrs Longhurst has spoken of as a "tribute" to her daughter. Such irony. I would have more sympathy for this woman if she wasn't collaborating with the Blair regime's wicked proposals to further the ir agenda of creating a surveillance obsessed police state involving the imprisonment of harmless people.
> Author wrote:
> > Yep and any so called "offence" will be an non crime invented purely to mollify mrs longhurst.
> > Author wrote:
> > > Yes, there will be those who will not even know they were commiting an offence caught up in all this, if legislation goes through. It is still quite surprising that many users of these sites in the UK haven't heard, given some of the media coverage last year...
> > > T.
> > > Author wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > > I've been getting feedback from my warnings posted around asphix and other fantasy groups. There sure are a lot of people out there who had no idea what was going on ie no idea that they are very likely to become persecuted social pariahs. I makes me want to weep!
> > > > Todd
Teddy, 12 Aug 2006 21:40:26
I sent a note to the "have your say" section of icBerkshire. However, it hasn't appeared on the site, so it might well have been censored by the stooges...
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So far only one side of the debate has been presented, in the local media, surrounding the campaign of Mrs Longhurst and the issue of internet pornography. Both the Reading Post and the Reading Chronical have carried very biased articles on this topic recently; the latter (1st Sept 2005) even seems to state as fact that the extreme websites surrounding this case show
real abusive crimes! If this newspaper has evidence of this, they should produce it before making such far-fetched claims. To any rational observer, this is FICTION, even if many may find it distasteful...
I appeal to those free-thinking citizens reading this, who wish to see our society progress along tolerant, diverse and libertarian lines to visit the website of Backlash, an umbrella group founded to oppose the government's appallingly draconian proposals to imprison those who view such extreme pornography
for up to 3 years; all on the basis of this tragic, yet anecdotal crime. http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk
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Author wrote:
> The laws in a "free county" are meant to be concerned with justice; the trouble with victim's families being given centre stage in this way is that new laws can become more about retribution. This is the kind of thing we are up against-
> http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/1500columnists/tm_objectid=15920061&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=comment--reading-chronicle-name_page.html
> If it weren't so serious a matter, it would be laughable...
> T.
Paul Tavener, 13 Aug 2006 01:12:02
Well done Teddy,
I think it's important that any and all cases of one sided reporting should be reponded to. This would help damp the fires of moral outrage and make legislation a little less likely.
If anyone spots anything similar please post it here and write to the originators with a counte rargument.
Author wrote:
> I sent a note to the "have your say" section of icBerkshire. However, it hasn't appeared on the site, so it might well have been censored by the stooges...
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Teddy, 13 Aug 2006 05:31:38
As I suspected, I may have to push hard to get this piece seen by the readers of these papers, but will certainly try to.
T.
Author wrote:
> Well done Teddy,
> I think it's important that any and all cases of one sided reporting should be reponded to. This would help damp the fires of moral outrage and make legislation a little less likely.
> If anyone spots anything similar please post it here and write to the originators with a counte rargument.
> Author wrote:
> > I sent a note to the "have your say" section of icBerkshire. However, it hasn't appeared on the site, so it might well have been censored by the stooges...
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
Alan, 13 Aug 2006 22:57:17
Hello
I seem to have got more than one post on that page now. Oh well I've nailed me colours to the mast now so what the hell.....
Al
Author wrote:
> As I suspected, I may have to push hard to get this piece seen by the readers of these papers, but will certainly try to.
> T.
> Author wrote:
> > Well done Teddy,
> > I think it's important that any and all cases of one sided reporting should be reponded to. This would help damp the fires of moral outrage and make legislation a little less likely.
> > If anyone spots anything similar please post it here and write to the originators with a counte rargument.
> > Author wrote:
> > > I sent a note to the "have your say" section of icBerkshire. However, it hasn't appeared on the site, so it might well have been censored by the stooges...
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
adrian, 14 Aug 2006 19:23:42
Teddysmith wrote:
the latter (1st Sept 2005) even seems to state as fact that the
extreme websites surrounding this case show real abusive crimes!
quote from the linked article:
Even now some people are trying to get the rest of us to believe that
it is the right of anyone to view whatever pictures they wish - no
matter how distastful the subject matter.
When I saw this I thought it was very important to get a reply in.
Then I looked again at the date - nearly a year ago! I'd be
interested to know who the 'some people' were - it was before Backlash
existed.
Do any of the more recent articles refer to the existence of an
alternative viewpoint?
Teddy, 18 Aug 2006 08:35:18
My message was not posted onto the site. I will be writing to the editor to ask why not...
T.
Author wrote:
> Well done Teddy,
> I think it's important that any and all cases of one sided reporting should be reponded to. This would help damp the fires of moral outrage and make legislation a little less likely.
> If anyone spots anything similar please post it here and write to the originators with a counte rargument.
> Author wrote:
> > I sent a note to the "have your say" section of icBerkshire. However, it hasn't appeared on the site, so it might well have been censored by the stooges...
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
Graham Marsden, 22 Aug 2006 06:34:48
Hi there,
I've just received this...
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Dear Mr Marsden
Thank you for your email of 10 August in which you request an internal
review of NOMS' decision to withhold information relating to the Home
Office Consultation on Extreme Pornography from you under section
35(1)(a) of the Freedom of Information Act (FOI Act). We aim to respond
to internal reviews promptly and always within 40 working days of their
receipt. Therefore you will receive a full response by 6 October at the
latest.
Should you be dissatisfied with the outcome of this review you will have
a further right of appeal to the Information Commissioner as per section
50 of the FOI Act.
Yours sincerely
Oliver Lendrum
Information Policy Team
Information and Record Management Service
Home Office
4th Floor, Seacole Building
2 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DF
Tel: 020 7035 1037
Fax: 0870 336 9142
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Cheers,
Graham.