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The police have been called to a Gor house, as farcical as it may be. The
police have no understanding of Gor they only recognise the activities
within that household and the potential for the law to be broken by those
activities. For all intents and purposes, there is BDSM based activities
being undertaken by these people, which the Police would have looked into,
and interviewed those involved, in turn, measured against the law as it
stands.
The Police have walked away satisfied that for thise involved "CONSENT" is a
defence to those activities. They have stated that the people involved are
not being held against their will and have consented to participate in these
activities.
Whilst I am not privvy to the activities of Gor, I would suggest that there
are BDSM based sexual activities taking place, which were alluded to in the
write up that I read. Therefore is it not possible that a precedent for
CONSENT as a defence has been set in this case?
If the Police are satisfied that the activities are consensually undertaken
and choose not to pursue a criminal case under the letter of the law, why is
it necessxary for the Home Office to waste time and resources looking into
banning these activities and making a law against it?
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is GOR?
Thunder, 23 May 2006 20:43:50
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admin@ofwatch.org.uk writes
>Pardon my ignorance, but what is GOR?
It's a lifestyle based on a series of fictional sci fi books by John
Norman (see http://www.worldofgor.com/ref/refmain.asp )
For me, as for many others, it's like basing ones life round Star Trek
or Lord of The Rings but others would differ and if it "floats their
boats" so be it.
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Moira, 23 May 2006 20:49:29
admin@ofwatch.org.uk wrote:
> Pardon my ignorance, but what is GOR?
>
>
The are a series of books written by John Norman. The following links
may give you an idea of waht they are about
http://www.jonrhus.com/books/
http://www.worldofgor.com/gor.asp
Basically it is a fictional world that some people in the BDSM scene
base their BDSM play/lifestyle on.
M
Moira, 23 May 2006 21:01:25
admin@ofwatch.org.uk wrote:
> Pardon my ignorance, but what is GOR?
>
>
The are a series of books written by John Norman. The following links may give you an idea of waht they are about
http://www.jonrhus.com/books/
http://www.worldofgor.com/gor.asp
Basically it is a fictional world that some people in the BDSM scene base their BDSM play/lifestyle on.
M
zak, 24 May 2006 03:55:59
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admin@ofwatch.org.uk, 24 May 2006 03:55:59
Pardon my ignorance, but what is GOR?
Well, let's see. Definition A: Gor was the name of the place featured in a
series of pulp fiction fantasy novels. An imaginary world where women are
men's slaves - oh, and everyone gets around by riding on the back of giant
pigeons - the author didn't get around to detailing how the denizens of the
world coped with that amount of pigeon shit
Definition B: A variety of lifestyle BDSM enjoyed by people who have read
the books and like the idea of women being enslaved to men/dominant Masters
ruling the world, etc - just another type of conesnsual adult fun, with
which there is nothing wrong.
Definition C: a moderately harmless way of keeping small-dicked inadequate
men happy. Like being a Jedi. A fetishistic Way to Be that gives other
perverts someone to laugh at. As do all fetishes, really.
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Angus Scrimm, 24 May 2006 08:13:08
It wasn't really the activities taking place within the privacy of this Gorean guys house that caused the real ruckus, as we know the police have sensibly just turned their backs saying 'nowt to do with us Guv!'
I think what really has pissed the locals off is the guys insistence of going shopping, complete with girls on leases crawling after him on all fours.
(Shit I'm moving up there!!!!) :-)
In short, it has 'spilled out' into public space. Hence all the beef!
What he should do is keep a tab permanently in his mouth when out and about, then people will only complain about him smoking in public places, and totally ignore the leashed girls!
zak, 26 May 2006 07:23:01
Ooh, thanks for hint. I love a good hissy fit online...
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Red . ladyleather40@hotmail.com, 26 May 2006 07:23:01
Ok so who pissed off ShereKhan on IC about this ?
Standing up and being counted is the 1st step in the right direction.
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>>It's on the BBC News website as well
>>(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4996410.stm). It seems to be almost a
>>copy of The Times' article.
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>>Nigel Meek
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>Complete with photograph of the house
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>Nice
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>Not!
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Exxentrix . exxentrix@hotmail.com, 26 May 2006 07:44:51
Ladies and Gents,
I havent read through all of this, although have had many parts read out to
me. Has everyone missed the point of this totally?
This could potentially be a landmark event.
What was backlash set up for?
As far as I understand it backlash was set up in order to fight the
potential banning and legislation against BDSM activities.
Erm, actually it was set up to oppose the Government's proposals to
imprison people for looking at pictures. Though a lot of kinky people are
involved in Backlash, a lot of other people are involved in the campaign on
the grounds that censorship is a Bad Thing and this particular set of
censorship proposals is even more ridiculous than usual.
Whilst I am not privvy to the activities of Gor, I would suggest that there
are BDSM based sexual activities taking place, which were alluded to in the
write up that I read. Therefore is it not possible that a precedent for
CONSENT as a defence has been set in this case?
Erm, no. For a legal precedent to be set, a case has to be heard in court.
No charges have been brought so there won't be any court case. It's a Good
Thing that the police, having visited the house, decided there was no case
to answer, and it's not entirely a bad thing that they went there in the
first place - in response to a complaint by someone who believed that an
individual was being held against her will. (Let's not forget that just
because someone says they are into SM doesn't invariably guarantee that
they are not abusive).
I am an SMP rep
Now I've been trying to be good and sensible today but OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
Couldn't they find a smarter one than you????
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rosalee, 26 May 2006 14:24:38
However, as far as we know, no porn was involved in the investigation,
unless you count Gor books. Would the police have taken the same attitude
if images involving floggings for example had been found in the house?
Ginny
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I would say it is incorrect to assume that the police decided that no
illegal activities were being committed, but rather to say that they decided
that they would be unable to persuade the Crown Prosecution Service to take
a case to court, and even if they did, that it would be extremely unlikely
that they would get a conviction.
At the moment, the protection that BDSM has from the law is purely down to
the CPS choosing not to bring charges, after being castigated by judges in a
couple of cases for bringing such cases to court (details of which have been
discussed on this list).
However, since the police explicitly state that consent is an issue, this
does represent a step in the right direction by our law enforcement
community, and it *may* indicate that the police force in question actually
believe that pursuing consensual BDSMers (of whatever designation) is
pointless and does nothing to protect the laws of the land.
That the papers were unable to make more of the issue is also positive.
Ta,
SnowdropExplodes
rosalee, 26 May 2006 14:24:38
However, as far as we know, no porn was involved in the investigation,
unless you count Gor books. Would the police have taken the same attitude
if images involving floggings for example had been found in the house?
Ginny
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Sent: 19 May 2006 20:14
I would say it is incorrect to assume that the police decided that no
illegal activities were being committed, but rather to say that they decided
that they would be unable to persuade the Crown Prosecution Service to take
a case to court, and even if they did, that it would be extremely unlikely
that they would get a conviction.
At the moment, the protection that BDSM has from the law is purely down to
the CPS choosing not to bring charges, after being castigated by judges in a
couple of cases for bringing such cases to court (details of which have been
discussed on this list).
However, since the police explicitly state that consent is an issue, this
does represent a step in the right direction by our law enforcement
community, and it *may* indicate that the police force in question actually
believe that pursuing consensual BDSMers (of whatever designation) is
pointless and does nothing to protect the laws of the land.
That the papers were unable to make more of the issue is also positive.
Ta,
SnowdropExplodes
Graham Marsden, 28 May 2006 07:52:39
admin@ofwatch.org.uk wrote:
> Pardon my ignorance, but what is GOR?
Don't ask for pardon, treasure your ignorance! :-)
* * * * *
Gor, the Counter-Earth, is the alternate-world setting for John Norman's
"Chronicles of Gor," a series of 26 novels that combine philosophy,
erotica and science fiction.
The customs, terminology and imagery depicted in these books has
inspired a related BDSM-influenced subculture. On- and off-line
followers of this lifestyle are Goreans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gor
* * * * *
Gor is basically teenage wank fantasy (submissive women always available
and willing). Unfortunately whilst the world it's set in is rather
interesting, it's badly written, poorly characterised and has
unbelievably bad dialogue!
If you're tempted to go to your library and have a look, take a pair of
gloves :-)
Cheers,
Graham.
Thunder, 28 May 2006 12:15:28
In message
<1558930.1148241481491.JavaMail.root@thallium.smartgroups.com>,
admin@ofwatch.org.uk writes
>Pardon my ignorance, but what is GOR?
It's a lifestyle based on a series of fictional sci fi books by John
Norman (see http://www.worldofgor.com/ref/refmain.asp )
For me, as for many others, it's like basing ones life round Star Trek
or Lord of The Rings but others would differ and if it "floats their
boats" so be it.
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snowflake, 28 May 2006 14:10:35
The Chronicles of Gor (or something like that) is a series of pulp
sci-fi books with heavy BDSM themes, most specifically
institutionalised male-dominance and female submission.
There's a fairly comprehensive entry about it on Wikipedia at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gor
The books are out of print and go for a fair price on eBay so if
you're interested in reading them, my advice would be to either part
with a fair amount of cash (that I don't think they're worth, they're
apallingly written) or scour car boot sales and hope you get lucky.
Zoë
On 21/05/06, admin@ofwatch.org.uk wrote:
> Pardon my ignorance, but what is GOR?
snowflake, 30 May 2006 01:31:13
On 23/05/06, saynotodarwinism@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I think what really has pissed the locals off is the guys insistence of going shopping, complete with girls on leases crawling after him on all fours.
Yes, this is the part of what he's doing that annoyed me, too. As
long as everyone's consenting, I'm all for him and his friends doing
what they want. However, when he forces his lifestyle onto others, as
he does with this kind of public display, he's not got the consent of
the public. He's not respecting their right to not have to be exposed
to what he's up to.
This isn't an S&M Pride display, people didn't turn up to watch him
lead girls around on leashes. He should have more respect for the
views of others.
Zoë
deno, 01 Jun 2006 20:43:37
In a message dated 01/06/2006 00:53:22 GMT Standard Time,
zoe.robinson@gmail.com writes:
lead girls around on leashes. He should have more respect for the
views of others.>
Very true. Maybe he hasn't any respect for the knees of his girls either!
Have experience of this when my domme took me "walkies" around a swingers
club. Soon the knees are the worse for wear with the risk of developing the
old fashioned condition, "housemaid's knee."
Seems crazy to come out to this extent and inviting trouble.
deno posted 1st June
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