Mediawatch expects...

Teddy, 29 Apr 2006 02:22:38

Hi All,

From the website-
"The Home Office and Scottish Executive Consultation on the Possession of Extreme Pornographic Material closed on Friday 2 December 2005. We have been advised that the issues raised, in the almost 400 responses, are currently being examined and the Government will indicate the way forward before the Summer Recess."

When is the summer recess? Could this be yet a further delay before the HO even REPORTS upon the content of responses? No summary pervert-cull for the gratification of Mediawatch then?!

Teddy.


Alan, 29 Apr 2006 10:04:07

If the HO are putting off making any comment or decision until after their summer jolly can we hope they are feeling the heat?

Al

Author wrote:
> Hi All,
> From the website-
> "The Home Office and Scottish Executive Consultation on the Possession of Extreme Pornographic Material closed on Friday 2 December 2005. We have been advised that the issues raised, in the almost 400 responses, are currently being examined and the Government will indicate the way forward before the Summer Recess."
> When is the summer recess? Could this be yet a further delay before the HO even REPORTS upon the content of responses? No summary pervert-cull for the gratification of Mediawatch then?!
> Teddy.


snowflake, 29 Apr 2006 12:06:41

On 29/04/06, alan_slaughter2000@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
> If the HO are putting off making any comment or decision until after their summer jolly can we hope they are feeling the heat?

Most likely not. If my time working for the Home Office is any
indication of how they are working these days, putting off making a
comment will simply mean those responsible for commenting haven't been
putting much attention toward drafting their comment and so now need
more time to finish it.

Zoë, remembering a time when one person took a two week holiday in the
middle of producing a report that had a one month deadline.


Alan, 29 Apr 2006 20:26:56

Hi

<>this a quote from media watch: from this comment can we deduce that mediawatch think the whole criminalisation thing is a forgone conclusion?
Is this the case for real and thus we are just wasting our time?
Or can we still have hope?

Al
Author wrote:
> On 29/04/06, alan_slaughter2000@yahoo.co.uk
> wrote:
> > If the HO are putting off making any comment or decision until after their summer jolly can we hope they are feeling the heat?
> Most likely not. If my time working for the Home Office is any
> indication of how they are working these days, putting off making a
> comment will simply mean those responsible for commenting haven't been
> putting much attention toward drafting their comment and so now need
> more time to finish it.
> Zoë, remembering a time when one person took a two week holiday in the
> middle of producing a report that had a one month deadline.


Teddy, 30 Apr 2006 01:15:19

Mediawatch no doubt see themselves as moral guardians and governmental guru here; and the only way possible is forward, from their perspective. They probably had it in mind that the only decisions to be made were whether R18 videos were also to be included in the scope of the legislation...

T.

Author wrote:
> Hi
> <>this a quote from media watch: from this comment can we deduce that mediawatch think the whole criminalisation thing is a forgone conclusion?
> Is this the case for real and thus we are just wasting our time?
> Or can we still have hope?
> Al
> Author wrote:
> > On 29/04/06, alan_slaughter2000@yahoo.co.uk
> > wrote:
> > > If the HO are putting off making any comment or decision until after their summer jolly can we hope they are feeling the heat?
> > Most likely not. If my time working for the Home Office is any
> > indication of how they are working these days, putting off making a
> > comment will simply mean those responsible for commenting haven't been
> > putting much attention toward drafting their comment and so now need
> > more time to finish it.
> > Zoë, remembering a time when one person took a two week holiday in the
> > middle of producing a report that had a one month deadline.
>
>


demolitionred, 04 May 2006 10:07:28

Given the Home Office met with some groups only a fortnight ago and said at that time that they had got some things wrong, it is reasonable to expect they will take a while to draw up their suggested options ready to present to the minister.

There is no doubt that the Home Office and (in its present state) wishes to push ahead.


However, we don't know with what kind of reformed propsal

We don't know what any restructured Home Office would have as priorities.

In the meantime we do need to keep preparing the ground and strengthening our arguments, research our points of view and who we should communicate them to...


*** This message has been edited by demolitionred on 05 May 2006 10:23:35 ***


Paul C. Dickie, 04 May 2006 23:34:30

In message <6766200.1146733367723.JavaMail.root@thallium.smartgroups.com
>, demolitionred@yahoo.com wrote:
>Given the Home Office met with some groups only a fortnight ago and said at that
>time that they had got soem things wrong, it is reasonable to expect they will
>take a while to draw up their suggested options ready to present to the
>minister.
>
>There is no doubt that the Home Office ( in its present state) wishes to push
>ahead.
>
>However, we don't know with what kind of reformed propsal

That women depicted in pornography should be deported?

>We don't know what any restructured Home Office wouyld have as priorities.

To build up its empire once more and to continue in its apparent efforts
to make the UK into a police state.

--
< Paul >


Teddy, 04 May 2006 23:52:43

Clarke is a particularly bad guy for us to have to deal with. Even if he resigns/gets-sacked soon, rest assured he would be replaced by someone equally as odious and authoritarian...maybe even Gormless himself?!

T.

> >We don't know what any restructured Home Office wouyld have as priorities.
> To build up its empire once more and to continue in its apparent efforts
> to make the UK into a police state.
> --
> < Paul >


zak, 11 May 2006 22:56:08

It's probably worth repeating, loudly and often, that Mediawatch are a
bucnh of unelected gumbies who should no more be taken seriously than the
Mary WHitehouse mob(or indeed the Mary Whitehouse Experience).
Self-appointed censors should always be vigourlsy MOCKED as this is the
best way to get their impact reduced - point out that while the one you're
looking at may be housetrained, what's to stop the next one out of the box
objecting like mad to... hmmm... non-white people being depicted as
employers of white people - or please-insert-own-example of nonsense
whenever you encounter any bleating dweep who claims to be 'offended' by
something.

Original Message:
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Teddysmith2@hotmail.co.uk, 11 May 2006 22:56:08


Mediawatch no doubt see themselves as moral guardians and governmental
guru here; and the only way possible is forward, from their perspective.
They probably had it in mind that the only decisions to be made were
whether R18 videos were also to be included in the scope of the
legislation...

T.

Author wrote:
> Hi
> <>this a quote from media
watch: from this comment can we deduce that mediawatch think the whole
criminalisation thing is a forgone conclusion?
> Is this the case for real and thus we are just wasting our time?
> Or can we still have hope?
> Al
> Author wrote:
> > On 29/04/06, alan_slaughter2000@yahoo.co.uk
> > wrote:
> > > If the HO are putting off making any comment or decision until after
their summer jolly can we hope they are feeling the heat?
> > Most likely not. If my time working for the Home Office is any
> > indication of how they are working these days, putting off making a
> > comment will simply mean those responsible for commenting haven't been
> > putting much attention toward drafting their comment and so now need
> > more time to finish it.
> > Zoë, remembering a time when one person took a two week holiday in the
> > middle of producing a report that had a one month deadline.
>
>







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Teddy, 12 May 2006 00:06:46

Agreed.

Author wrote:
> It's probably worth repeating, loudly and often, that Mediawatch are a
> bucnh of unelected gumbies who should no more be taken seriously than the
> Mary WHitehouse mob(or indeed the Mary Whitehouse Experience).
> Self-appointed censors should always be vigourlsy MOCKED as this is the
> best way to get their impact reduced - point out that while the one you're
> looking at may be housetrained, what's to stop the next one out of the box
> objecting like mad to... hmmm... non-white people being depicted as
> employers of white people - or please-insert-own-example of nonsense
> whenever you encounter any bleating dweep who claims to be 'offended' by
> something.
> Original Message:
> -----------------
: Teddysmith2@hotmail.co.uk, 12 May 2006 00:06:46
> Subject: Re: [backlash] RE: Mediawatch expects...
> Mediawatch no doubt see themselves as moral guardians and governmental
> guru here; and the only way possible is forward, from their perspective.
> They probably had it in mind that the only decisions to be made were
> whether R18 videos were also to be included in the scope of the
> legislation...
> T.
> Author wrote:
> > Hi
> > <>this a quote from media
> watch: from this comment can we deduce that mediawatch think the whole
> criminalisation thing is a forgone conclusion?
> > Is this the case for real and thus we are just wasting our time?
> > Or can we still have hope?
> > Al
> > Author wrote:
> > > On 29/04/06, alan_slaughter2000@yahoo.co.uk
> > > wrote:
> > > > If the HO are putting off making any comment or decision until after
> their summer jolly can we hope they are feeling the heat?
> > > Most likely not. If my time working for the Home Office is any
> > > indication of how they are working these days, putting off making a
> > > comment will simply mean those responsible for commenting haven't been
> > > putting much attention toward drafting their comment and so now need
> > > more time to finish it.
> > > Zoë, remembering a time when one person took a two week holiday in the
> > > middle of producing a report that had a one month deadline.
> >
> >
>
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Teddy, 08 Jul 2006 15:10:38

http://www.mediawatchuk.org/newsbriefs/Summer2006.htm

The "so-called BDSM community"?? Proof, if it were needed, what a bunch of self-righteous losers Mediawatch are...

T.

Author wrote:
> Hi All,
> From the website-
> "The Home Office and Scottish Executive Consultation on the Possession of Extreme Pornographic Material closed on Friday 2 December 2005. We have been advised that the issues raised, in the almost 400 responses, are currently being examined and the Government will indicate the way forward before the Summer Recess."
> When is the summer recess? Could this be yet a further delay before the HO even REPORTS upon the content of responses? No summary pervert-cull for the gratification of Mediawatch then?!
> Teddy.


Graham Marsden, 08 Jul 2006 21:46:15

Hi there,

Teddysmith2@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

> http://www.mediawatchuk.org/newsbriefs/Summer2006.htm
>
> The "so-called BDSM community"?? Proof, if it were needed, what
> a bunch of self-righteous losers Mediawatch are...

Shouldn't that be the "so-called Mediawatch"?!

Although the actual comments from them are interesting:

"We have also learned that the Home Office will not be publishing the
responses to the consultation because it is said most of them disagree
with the Government\x{2019}s proposals to make the possession of extreme
pornographic material a new criminal offence. After meetings with the
so-called \x{201C}Bondage, Domination and Sado-Masochism community\x{201D} we
understand that the proposals will be watered down in order to make them
workable."

Also: "We believe that the delay and indecision surrounding this
consultation is unacceptable and suggests an unwillingness to carry out
the proposals as originally intended." which is actually good news for us!

You might also like to visit the website of "Mediawatch-Watch" at
http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/

With the subtitle: Watching. Pointing. Laughing. :-)

Cheers,
Graham.


zak, 08 Jul 2006 23:32:05

Original Message:
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Teddysmith2@hotmail.co.uk, 08 Jul 2006 23:32:05


http://www.mediawatchuk.org/newsbriefs/Summer2006.htm

The "so-called BDSM community"?? Proof, if it were needed, what a bunch of
self-righteous losers Mediawatch are...

T.



Er, anyone was supposed to be taking this bucnh of fish-head mentalists
seriously in the first place???

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Teddy, 09 Jul 2006 04:38:02

And my web-browser crashes whenever I visit the Mediawatch website! Let's hope their odious supporters are having similar problems... :o)

> Er, anyone was supposed to be taking this bucnh of fish-head mentalists
> seriously in the first place???
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adrian, 10 Jul 2006 12:28:38

as quoted from the Mediawatch site
"We have also learned that the Home Office will not be publishing the
responses to the consultation because it is said most of them disagree
with the Government's proposals to make the possession of extreme
pornographic material a new criminal offence."

This is dynamite.


Teddy, 10 Jul 2006 20:11:06

Yes; one wonders whether they have been reading some of the postings on the sites which oppose the proposals OR if they have had this from an official/reliable source? This would be an outrage if true...

Author wrote:
> as quoted from the Mediawatch site
> "We have also learned that the Home Office will not be publishing the
> responses to the consultation because it is said most of them disagree
> with the Government's proposals to make the possession of extreme
> pornographic material a new criminal offence."
> This is dynamite.


SnowdropExplodes, 10 Jul 2006 21:52:31

Teddysmith2@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Yes; one wonders whether they have been reading some of the postings on the sites which oppose the proposals OR if they have had this from an official/reliable source? This would be an outrage if true...

Author wrote:
> as quoted from the Mediawatch site
> "We have also learned that the Home Office will not be publishing the
> responses to the consultation because it is said most of them disagree
> with the Government's proposals to make the possession of extreme
> pornographic material a new criminal offence."
> This is dynamite.

I don't know about the source for the Mediawatch statement, but the fact that the Home Office are in serious trouble over their proposals is mentioned in Hansard:

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Mr. Ben Bradshaw): "...the Home Office is consulting now on proposals to criminalise the possession of abhorrent material involving the abuse of humans, which it has been illegal to distribute for many years. The wide range of responses that it has received indicates that there will be huge difficulties in criminalising the possession of such images. Quite a number of respondees considered the proposals to be a major increase in powers and unnecessary when such imagery is legal in many other parts of the world." Standing Committee (20 January 2006)
Animal Welfare Bill

Ta,
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Teddy, 10 Jul 2006 23:09:15

Interesting to read how we've managed to put flies-in-the- ointment of the plans of our gutless MPs. Also disturbing to read that Bradshaw thinks this is about "material featuring the abuse of humans"...once again, reality and fiction are recklessly conflated.

T.

> I don't know about the source for the Mediawatch statement, but the fact that the Home Office are in serious trouble over their proposals is mentioned in Hansard:
> The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Mr. Ben Bradshaw): "...the Home Office is consulting now on proposals to criminalise the possession of abhorrent material involving the abuse of humans, which it has been illegal to distribute for many years. The wide range of responses that it has received indicates that there will be huge difficulties in criminalising the possession of such images. Quite a number of respondees considered the proposals to be a major increase in powers and unnecessary when such imagery is legal in many other parts of the world." Standing Committee (20 January 2006)
> Animal Welfare Bill
> Ta,
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doulos, 11 Jul 2006 02:29:22

Good news people! We've pissed off the enemy!


Teddy, 11 Jul 2006 03:00:40

Possibly! The time until the recess is rapidly passing by; let's see what (if any) kind of a horlicks the HO come back with...

Author wrote:
> Good news people! We've pissed off the enemy!


adrian, 11 Jul 2006 09:13:39

See the new site front page


Teddy, 11 Jul 2006 12:53:01

?

Author wrote:
> See the new site front page


snowflake, 11 Jul 2006 17:15:59

On 11/07/06, Adrian wrote:
> See the new site front page

It doesn't seem to have one - it goes to a domain name search engine.

Zoë


adrian, 12 Jul 2006 22:40:13

PS, does the full address http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/index.html
work? I've had something like this with a different site and server
recently, when it should be able to work out the home page but can't.


adrian, 12 Jul 2006 22:41:43

It's working fine with me. Are other people finding this? Could you
send me the search engine address you get to by private mail asap
please?

On 11/07/06, Zoë Robinson wrote:
> It doesn't seem to have one - it goes to a domain name search engine.


demolitionred, 13 Jul 2006 15:21:43

working fine for me too...


adrian, 13 Aug 2006 01:51:34

Ben Bradshaw has an interesting background. Though Labour, he could
be worth contacting. He might be open to tactful correction of his
assumptions.

From Wikipedia:
Ben Bradshaw was selected to contest the marginal parliamentary seat
of Exeter at the 1997 General Election after the first choice
candidate, John Lloyd, was deselected by the local Labour party on
instructions from central office. The sitting Conservative MP, John
Hannam had retired and the Conservatives chose Adrian Rogers to be
their candidate. This created a very interesting election campaign,
Bradshaw an openly gay man, and Rogers a Christian and leading member
of the religious right. The campaign was vitriolic and bitter with
allegations of homophobia and sin. The result, however was not close,
and Ben Bradshaw was elected as the Labour MP for Exeter with a
majority of 11,705.

Teddy, I'm not sure what your '?' means. You know I hope that
Backlash has a website http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk. The front page
has changed and most of the text relates to this thread. Maybe you
need to hit the Refresh button to see the change.