Some thoughts...
victa, 13 Mar 2006 18:35:11
Can't "reply" to smartgroups so apologies for new thread
I’ve come to this debate too late , but some disjointed thoughts:
1. You need someone high profile to ‘come out’ and champion the bdsm cause.
2. Have these HO grey suits ever been introduced to a site such as LFS which extols the joys of bdsm? Get them to read the Articles / Reviews. Yes, these are real people enjoying themselves in an entirely consensual way and loving it! Yet images of many club scenes would presumably fall foul of this bizarre law. Better still, drag them out to a good club one night! And this would certainly disabuse them of the lie that it’s primarily a M-dom / F-sub thing.
3. Amazon have just emailed me an ad for Princes Spider’s book. I expect there’s some pretty ‘brutal’ [if delicious!] scenes described there. Their ad also refers to such exotica as “Whipped: 20 Stories of Female Erotic Dominance, with DVD” - could something so mainstream be bannable also?
PS Amelie is doing sterling work with her new book J
4. Books by Donnie Easton etc “Good Topping / Good bottoming” , Screw the roses etc likewise are brilliant at conveying bdsm play. Would the scenes described here be prohibited in pictures?
5. We need to understand what motivates these junior civil servants / politicians. Further up the greasy pole if their ‘objectives’ are met? If so, are they not irredeemably compromised? What info has been dug up about them or are they squeaky clean? [nasty I know, but they’re not playing fair are they?]
6. A year ago I went to a fascinating talk by the Foundation for Intelligent Living. Ranting against stupid gut-reaction nanny state ‘protection’ laws sponsored by pressure-groups with no scientific justification. 10 years ago I rewired my own house. Now that’s illegal. Why? - self-interest pressure groups, of course. Is the true measure of a civilised society the breadth of its statute book?
7. Doesn’t this sum it up? "We are in danger of having a wholly disproportionate attitude to the risks we should expect to run as a normal part of life. It results in a plethora of rules, guidelines, responses to scandals of one nature or another that ends up having wholly perverse consequences." [Tony Blair's speech on compensation culture 26th May 2005]
This was actually found on river- swimming.co.uk Not my fetish L but they’re facing a loss of their freedom from lying civil servants.
8. There’s a growing backlash [sorry!] by commerce against the spiral of red tape. I thought there were at last moves by HMG to contain this and seriously question proposed new laws. At the very least you should treble their ‘regulatory costs’
9. Doubt there’s any scope to openly challenge the submission of the nutters/ lunatic fringe /blinkered sheep. If there is, go for it!
10. Last but by no means least - I thought I’d seen several press stories of suicides directly attributable to the operation oar [?] thing. If true that must be the tip of the iceberg of all the stress, anxiety, depression,lives wrecked….. caused to many innocent ‘pillars of society’ - schoolteachers, policemen even. Are these do-gooders prepared to have similar tragedies on their conscience? Can we ramp up this emotional side? Where does this feature in their cost / benefit analysis?
Best of luck. Keep fighting!
Angus Scrimm, 13 Mar 2006 23:09:01
> 10. Last but by no means least - I thought I’d seen several press stories of suicides directly attributable to the operation oar [?] thing. If true that must be the tip of the iceberg of all the stress, anxiety, depression,lives wrecked….. caused to many innocent ‘pillars of society’ - schoolteachers, policemen even. Are these do-gooders prepared to have similar tragedies on their conscience? Can we ramp up this emotional side? Where does this feature in their cost / benefit analysis?
> Best of luck. Keep fighting!
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Hey this point could fall into the 'psychological injury' vicinity of the whole legal 'GBH' definition!
Could we counter sue the Government, the Police, this Mr Goggins (who is frequently mentioned round here)?
Probably not.... but worth a thought.