Some follow-up on Lobbying titles
Manniq, 08 Nov 2005 12:21:13
I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
"Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
Regards,
M
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
AV8R, 08 Nov 2005 13:04:31
Author wrote:
> I have had a nice response off-line to the Lobbying guidelines, but with a few points that take issue. (Adrian - the cut and paste hasn't got things out of line, has it?). Anyway, I won't say who wrote to me...but it is fair to post the criticism here, in case anyone else is interested:
> "Just a few points on forms of address. For an Archbishop (Anglican or RC) I would certainly begin a letter "Your Grace", unless the RC was a cardinal, in which case it would be "Your Eminence". For a bishop, I'd go for "My Lord Bishop" or "Dear Bishop Surname". On the envelope, all bishops are the Right Reverend and Archbishops the Most Reverend. Regarding the "Rt Hon" bit, that indicates a Privy Councillor. The Bishop of London is one and so he is "The Rt Revd and Rt Hon the Lord Bishop of London". Not that I think most of them would give a shit about protocol, although I don't think anyone should call the Bishop of London Dick."
> Regards,
> M
As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be overlooked.
Av8r
Paul C. Dickie, 08 Nov 2005 16:23:09
In message <7780075.1131455072642.JavaMail.root@thallium.smartgroups.com
>, av8r0344@hotmail.com wrote:
>As a general note, it must also be mentioned that the lobbying document makes no
>mention of lobbying MP's staff members and researchers, civil servants, etc.
>
>These people can be key in shaping the opinions of the MP, and should not be
>overlooked.
Might it be useful here to note that an advert was submitted for posting
to uk.people.bdsm.personals, apparently from a former research assistant
for a certain Tory MP?
Due in no small part to the diligence of the curmudgeon who moderates
that newsgroup, not only was that advert not posted, but all other
adverts to other newsgroups from that hoaxer identified and pulled from
Google groups.
The hoaxer seems to have been someone who repaired the MP's computer.
How *embarrassing* would it have been if the hoaxer had also put some
images on that machine that would have gormless Goggins frothing at the
mouth?
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< Paul >
«No Name Set», 09 Nov 2005 18:45:29
I dou't doubt that's all *correct* but it sounds very
old-fashioned and over-formal for modern usage. It would be
more natural and normal, particularly for churchy people writing
to their bishop on church business these days, to use:
On the envelope:
The Bishop of Borsetshire
Inside: Dear Bishop, or Dear Bishop John
Talking to him: Bishop
Those of more catholic persuasion (Roman or otherwise) might
address him in person as "Father" and possibly even address
their letter "Dear Father".
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Rosemary