In fact, let's be bolshy about this!
Manniq, 07 Nov 2005 10:31:21
My little Boswell (aka redcat) mutters that everyone on this site must be on at least ONE other group, board, chat room. Many people are doing stuff already. But if you aren't, please, please, please, take a look at the suggested text and post it somewhere.
And then let us know you have posted it.
If we assume that 200 of you haven't done much beyond read stuff so far....if only half of you now post this on, we reach 100 new places.
Please post - and then e-mail back to say where you posted.
If that fails, think of it as a chain letter. If you don't post in the next 5 days, you will get gangrene in your private parts and your Toyota will fall off.
Regards,
M
demolitionred, 07 Nov 2005 11:03:53
I have posted messages including the following
Hi,
I hope people on this group won’t mind my posting this – but I think it is a pretty important topic, and one that could affect some, maybe all of us, in the next few years.
A month or so back there was a lot of publicity about how the government was going to clamp down on ‘extreme pornographic images’ on the internet. What that actually meant was that they were asking for input and opinion from the public around a consultation paper that they had written.
It’s a bit much to go into detail now. However, what they seem to be saying is that there are some images on the internet that they can’t police (because they are outside their boundaries). They would not be publishable in this country, because they would be considered obscene (under the Obscene Publications Act). And they are so ‘abhorrent’ that all right-thinking people would like them banned.
So the government reckons it has to do something – and what it plans to do is to make it a criminal offence to POSSESS such images in future. From the net, certainly – but also in book or other form. If you possess any of the images that the government doesn’t like, you could end up in prison for three years and/or on the Sex Offenders’ Register.
Now I know that it is very tempting to say ‘jolly good’ – because I am sure that every one of us can think of images that they would find horrid to view and that maybe we would rather did not exist. But there are a number of problems with this proposal.
First, the government admits there is no evidence of harm at all from people watching these images – if anything, the evidence is the other way, with Japanese studies suggesting that people who look at a lot of porn often use it as a means to reduce their desires to DO things.
Second, it is about sex: the government is not proposing to ban ALL nasty images or nasty news images or whatever. Only images ‘in a sexual context’. Which is pretty dumb: because if they REALLY thought that these images led people to commit crimes, they would want them ALL banned anyway.
But they are saying there will be exemptions for images taken from films already passed by the censor and for artistic works – and that it won’t be a crime if you download stuff ‘accidentally’.
Which really sounds like spin and lies. Because once this proposal is law, I can’t see the police being impressed by someone saying: this image of a rape taken from a 18 film was only for personal interest or was downloaded accidentally or just didn’t turn me on.
Once this law is law, they are going to go after any images that anyone possesses that the local police chief doesn’t like – and if you remember James Anderton, the ultra-Christian police chief, what chiefs don’t like can be pretty innocuous indeed.
Anyway, all this worries me. There is a group set up to fight the proposal – details are at
www.backlash-uk.org.uk
You can also find links to the government consultation paper there. And if these proposals worry you, too, then please, please write in to the consultation. You don’t have to be wity, academic or anything. You don’t even have to answer THEIR rather biased questions. Just write in and make your point.
And you have until 2 December to do it!!!!
All the best,
on fet groups:
Unmasked, tallystrapon-on club, total servitude, Night of the Senses volunteer group, omnipotency and subterrain.
alternative culture:
Xtro, masterdarcyandraventwisted, switchblade_sister
Can ypu all do more and let us know where
*** This message has been edited by demolitionred on 08 Nov 2005 10:49:08 ***
Amelie, 07 Nov 2005 15:16:12
take a look at what suggested text? where? can find nothing on backlash
site - but then do not know what I am looking for. Can you give me a link?
Make it easy for me and I will hppily repost to a dozen sites. Amelie
----- Original Message -----
, 07 Nov 2005 15:16:12
To:
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:31 AM
> My little Boswell (aka redcat) mutters that everyone on this site must be
> on at least ONE other group, board, chat room. Many people are doing
> stuff already. But if you aren't, please, please, please, take a look at
> the suggested text and post it somewhere.
>
> And then let us know you have posted it.
>
> If we assume that 200 of you haven't done much beyond read stuff so
> far....if only half of you now post this on, we reach 100 new places.
>
> Please post - and then e-mail back to say where you posted.
>
> If that fails, think of it as a chain letter. If you don't post in the
> next 5 days, you will get gangrene in your private parts and your Toyota
> will fall off.
>
> Regards,
>
> M
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
> visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
>
> To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
>
> Report abuse
> http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D3187
>
Manniq, 07 Nov 2005 15:23:07
Um....twas posted within the message posted on here (something about helping dem's submission)... and it is also within the e-mail I sent to you this morning. It will be the first post on the dem_thred.
That is interesting, though. If you haven't received my e-mail, maybe some others have gone astray.
Regards,
M
Author wrote:
> take a look at what suggested text? where? can find nothing on backlash
> site - but then do not know what I am looking for. Can you give me a link?
> Make it easy for me and I will hppily repost to a dozen sites. Amelie
> ----- Original Message -----
: , 07 Nov 2005 15:23:07
> To:
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:31 AM
> Subject: [backlash] In fact, let's be bolshy about this!
> > My little Boswell (aka redcat) mutters that everyone on this site must be
> > on at least ONE other group, board, chat room. Many people are doing
> > stuff already. But if you aren't, please, please, please, take a look at
> > the suggested text and post it somewhere.
> >
> > And then let us know you have posted it.
> >
> > If we assume that 200 of you haven't done much beyond read stuff so
> > far....if only half of you now post this on, we reach 100 new places.
> >
> > Please post - and then e-mail back to say where you posted.
> >
> > If that fails, think of it as a chain letter. If you don't post in the
> > next 5 days, you will get gangrene in your private parts and your Toyota
> > will fall off.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
> > visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
> >
> > To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
> >
> > Report abuse
> > http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D3187
> >
zak, 07 Nov 2005 16:58:48
I have a link to backlash from my website.
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Amelie, 07 Nov 2005 18:09:33
sent the mail (somewhat amended to include my own experience with the
malicious porn file) to everyone in my address book. It has gone to contacts
in various scene groups, individual bdsmers known to me, pc users and pcuser
groups as well as personal vanilla friends and family. I am also losing no
opportunity to voice my concerns to anyone who will listen.
Silver and I also have a project to put our concerns to every single member
of parliament before February.
Amelie
----- Original Message -----
"Amelie"
, 07 Nov 2005 18:09:33
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:11 PM
> take a look at what suggested text? where? can find nothing on backlash
> site - but then do not know what I am looking for. Can you give me a
> link?
> Make it easy for me and I will hppily repost to a dozen sites. Amelie
> ----- Original Message -----
: , 07 Nov 2005 18:09:33
> To:
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:31 AM
> Subject: [backlash] In fact, let's be bolshy about this!
>
>
>> My little Boswell (aka redcat) mutters that everyone on this site must be
>> on at least ONE other group, board, chat room. Many people are doing
>> stuff already. But if you aren't, please, please, please, take a look at
>> the suggested text and post it somewhere.
>>
>> And then let us know you have posted it.
>>
>> If we assume that 200 of you haven't done much beyond read stuff so
>> far....if only half of you now post this on, we reach 100 new places.
>>
>> Please post - and then e-mail back to say where you posted.
>>
>> If that fails, think of it as a chain letter. If you don't post in the
>> next 5 days, you will get gangrene in your private parts and your Toyota
>> will fall off.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
>> visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
>>
>> To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
>>
>> Report abuse
>> http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D3187
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
> visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
>
> To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
>
> Report abuse
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>
Manniq, 07 Nov 2005 18:32:57
Bloody brilliant - and happy to support you in this and would appreciate any feedback to feed the database!
Regards,
M
Author wrote:
> sent the mail (somewhat amended to include my own experience with the
> malicious porn file) to everyone in my address book. It has gone to contacts
> in various scene groups, individual bdsmers known to me, pc users and pcuser
> groups as well as personal vanilla friends and family. I am also losing no
> opportunity to voice my concerns to anyone who will listen.
> Silver and I also have a project to put our concerns to every single member
> of parliament before February.
> Amelie
> ----- Original Message -----
: "Amelie"
, 07 Nov 2005 18:32:57
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [backlash] In fact, let's be bolshy about this!
> > take a look at what suggested text? where? can find nothing on backlash
> > site - but then do not know what I am looking for. Can you give me a
> > link?
> > Make it easy for me and I will hppily repost to a dozen sites. Amelie
> > ----- Original Message -----
om: , 07 Nov 2005 18:32:57
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:31 AM
> > Subject: [backlash] In fact, let's be bolshy about this!
> >
> >
> >> My little Boswell (aka redcat) mutters that everyone on this site must be
> >> on at least ONE other group, board, chat room. Many people are doing
> >> stuff already. But if you aren't, please, please, please, take a look at
> >> the suggested text and post it somewhere.
> >>
> >> And then let us know you have posted it.
> >>
> >> If we assume that 200 of you haven't done much beyond read stuff so
> >> far....if only half of you now post this on, we reach 100 new places.
> >>
> >> Please post - and then e-mail back to say where you posted.
> >>
> >> If that fails, think of it as a chain letter. If you don't post in the
> >> next 5 days, you will get gangrene in your private parts and your Toyota
> >> will fall off.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> M
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
> >> visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
> >>
> >> To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
> >>
> >> Report abuse
> >> http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D3187
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
> > visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
> >
> > To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
> >
> > Report abuse
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Graham Marsden, 07 Nov 2005 19:06:21
pandoraa wrote:
> [ Attachment Removed: ]
Hi and, I think, welcome!
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but this list (or, at least,
the bit that's forwarded in e-mail) seems not like attachments or HTML
content, so whatever you wrote just disappered!
We'd hate to see whatever your words were lost forever, so if you could
repost them in plain text I'm sure we'd all be grateful :-)
Cheers,
Graham.
Pandy, 07 Nov 2005 19:23:35
Basically I said hi and I will do what I can but there are limitations
on the time I have to spare.
Already I would say the volume of mails from this list has been
phenomenal today alone so the amount of back reading I need to do
seems quite enormous.
I'd also suggest that there are difficulties attached to speaking out
against this proposed legislation for a number of reasons. I'm quite
conspiracy theorist and fear that if I write to my MP presenting my
arguments and it just so happens he agrees with banning BDSM porn then
he has my name/address and there's a place to start to look for the
new criminals when legislation comes into force.
To be honest this whole thing terrifies me as I have copies of a video
I helped make which was a caning video and is on a paid for website,
there are pics and videos all around my house etc.
What I was wondering though, is how this will affect the shops in Soho
and other liscenced sex shops, has anyone gotten them on board since
it is sure to affect their trade?
Anyways. I'll more than likely sign the pledge, write to my MP etc and
do as much as I can.
Hope the message gets there this time,
pandy
xox
On 11/7/05, graham wrote:
>
>
> pandoraa wrote:
>
> > [ Attachment Removed: ]
>
> Hi and, I think, welcome!
>
> I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but this list (or, at least,
> the bit that's forwarded in e-mail) seems not like attachments or HTML
> content, so whatever you wrote just disappered!
>
> We'd hate to see whatever your words were lost forever, so if you could
> repost them in plain text I'm sure we'd all be grateful :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Graham.
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
> visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
>
> To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
>
> Report abuse http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D3240
>
rosalee, 07 Nov 2005 21:13:12
Hi Pandy,
Welcome!
I tried leafleting the sex shops in Soho a few weeks ago and got a mainly very lukewarm response. I tried talking to them about the issues involved but the attitude was generally that it wouldn't affect them. One man I spoke to said he thought it would be a good thing as internet porn was putting the shops out of business. There was a lot of reluctance to look at the wider issues involved.
Ginny/Rosalee
----- Original Message -----
: pandoraa, 07 Nov 2005 21:13:12
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [backlash] In fact, let's be bolshy about this!
Basically I said hi and I will do what I can but there are limitations
on the time I have to spare.
Already I would say the volume of mails from this list has been
phenomenal today alone so the amount of back reading I need to do
seems quite enormous.
I'd also suggest that there are difficulties attached to speaking out
against this proposed legislation for a number of reasons. I'm quite
conspiracy theorist and fear that if I write to my MP presenting my
arguments and it just so happens he agrees with banning BDSM porn then
he has my name/address and there's a place to start to look for the
new criminals when legislation comes into force.
To be honest this whole thing terrifies me as I have copies of a video
I helped make which was a caning video and is on a paid for website,
there are pics and videos all around my house etc.
What I was wondering though, is how this will affect the shops in Soho
and other liscenced sex shops, has anyone gotten them on board since
it is sure to affect their trade?
Anyways. I'll more than likely sign the pledge, write to my MP etc and
do as much as I can.
Hope the message gets there this time,
pandy
xox
On 11/7/05, graham wrote:
>
>
> pandoraa wrote:
>
> > [ Attachment Removed: ]
>
> Hi and, I think, welcome!
>
> I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but this list (or, at least,
> the bit that's forwarded in e-mail) seems not like attachments or HTML
> content, so whatever you wrote just disappered!
>
> We'd hate to see whatever your words were lost forever, so if you could
> repost them in plain text I'm sure we'd all be grateful :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Graham.
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
> visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
>
> To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
>
> Report abuse http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D3240
>
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AV8R, 07 Nov 2005 21:55:30
Author wrote:
> My little Boswell (aka redcat) mutters that everyone on this site must be on at least ONE other group, board, chat room. Many people are doing stuff already. But if you aren't, please, please, please, take a look at the suggested text and post it somewhere.
> And then let us know you have posted it.
> If we assume that 200 of you haven't done much beyond read stuff so far....if only half of you now post this on, we reach 100 new places.
> Please post - and then e-mail back to say where you posted.
> If that fails, think of it as a chain letter. If you don't post in the next 5 days, you will get gangrene in your private parts and your Toyota will fall off.
> Regards,
> M
I've posted re submission and backlash on the 3 or 4 yahoo groups I'm on
Paul C. Dickie, 08 Nov 2005 04:41:10
In message <005601c5e3de$e9f29040$9600a8c0@Laptop>, rosalee
wrote:
>Hi Pandy,
Handy Pandy?
>Welcome!
>
>I tried leafleting the sex shops in Soho a few weeks ago and got a mainly very
>lukewarm response. I tried talking to them about the issues involved but the
>attitude was generally that it wouldn't affect them. One man I spoke to said he
>thought it would be a good thing as internet porn was putting the shops out of
>business. There was a lot of reluctance to look at the wider issues involved.
There would be, as the operators in Soho pay protection money to run
their businesses without interference.
Do any of the parliamentary sponsors of this idiocy belong to any gaming
clubs or casinos?
--
< Paul >
Paul Tavener, 08 Nov 2005 08:12:08
You can count me in too after the 2nd December. One point I would make it needs to be organised so that we don't double up.
Author wrote:
> Bloody brilliant - and happy to support you in this and would appreciate any feedback to feed the database!
> Regards,
> M
> Author wrote:
> > sent the mail (somewhat amended to include my own experience with the
> > malicious porn file) to everyone in my address book. It has gone to contacts
> > in various scene groups, individual bdsmers known to me, pc users and pcuser
> > groups as well as personal vanilla friends and family. I am also losing no
> > opportunity to voice my concerns to anyone who will listen.
> > Silver and I also have a project to put our concerns to every single member
> > of parliament before February.
> > Amelie
> > ----- Original Message -----
om: "Amelie"
, 08 Nov 2005 08:12:08
> > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [backlash] In fact, let's be bolshy about this!
> > > take a look at what suggested text? where? can find nothing on backlash
> > > site - but then do not know what I am looking for. Can you give me a
> > > link?
> > > Make it easy for me and I will hppily repost to a dozen sites. Amelie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
From: , 08 Nov 2005 08:12:08
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:31 AM
> > > Subject: [backlash] In fact, let's be bolshy about this!
> > >
> > >
> > >> My little Boswell (aka redcat) mutters that everyone on this site must be
> > >> on at least ONE other group, board, chat room. Many people are doing
> > >> stuff already. But if you aren't, please, please, please, take a look at
> > >> the suggested text and post it somewhere.
> > >>
> > >> And then let us know you have posted it.
> > >>
> > >> If we assume that 200 of you haven't done much beyond read stuff so
> > >> far....if only half of you now post this on, we reach 100 new places.
> > >>
> > >> Please post - and then e-mail back to say where you posted.
> > >>
> > >> If that fails, think of it as a chain letter. If you don't post in the
> > >> next 5 days, you will get gangrene in your private parts and your Toyota
> > >> will fall off.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> M
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
> > >> visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
> > >>
> > >> To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
> > >>
> > >> Report abuse
> > >> http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D3187
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
> > > visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
> > >
> > > To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
> > >
> > > Report abuse
> > > http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D3214
> > >
Manniq, 08 Nov 2005 09:36:04
You may find that in the broadest sense, the Sex Shops are right. Remember, they are already governed by the OPA which covers MUCH of what the new proposal covers.
They might be affected a little around the edges - but only slightly and I am sure they would just shift their focus slightly.
Regards,
M
Author wrote:
> Hi Pandy,
> Welcome!
> I tried leafleting the sex shops in Soho a few weeks ago and got a mainly very lukewarm response. I tried talking to them about the issues involved but the attitude was generally that it wouldn't affect them. One man I spoke to said he thought it would be a good thing as internet porn was putting the shops out of business. There was a lot of reluctance to look at the wider issues involved.
> Ginny/Rosalee
> ----- Original Message -----
om: pandoraa, 08 Nov 2005 09:36:04
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [backlash] In fact, let's be bolshy about this!
> Basically I said hi and I will do what I can but there are limitations
> on the time I have to spare.
> Already I would say the volume of mails from this list has been
> phenomenal today alone so the amount of back reading I need to do
> seems quite enormous.
> I'd also suggest that there are difficulties attached to speaking out
> against this proposed legislation for a number of reasons. I'm quite
> conspiracy theorist and fear that if I write to my MP presenting my
> arguments and it just so happens he agrees with banning BDSM porn then
> he has my name/address and there's a place to start to look for the
> new criminals when legislation comes into force.
> To be honest this whole thing terrifies me as I have copies of a video
> I helped make which was a caning video and is on a paid for website,
> there are pics and videos all around my house etc.
> What I was wondering though, is how this will affect the shops in Soho
> and other liscenced sex shops, has anyone gotten them on board since
> it is sure to affect their trade?
> Anyways. I'll more than likely sign the pledge, write to my MP etc and
> do as much as I can.
> Hope the message gets there this time,
> pandy
> xox
> On 11/7/05, graham wrote:
> >
> >
> > pandoraa wrote:
> >
> > > [ Attachment Removed: ]
> >
> > Hi and, I think, welcome!
> >
> > I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but this list (or, at least,
> > the bit that's forwarded in e-mail) seems not like attachments or HTML
> > content, so whatever you wrote just disappered!
> >
> > We'd hate to see whatever your words were lost forever, so if you could
> > repost them in plain text I'm sure we'd all be grateful :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Graham.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
> > visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
> >
> > To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
> >
> > Report abuse http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D3240
> >
>
> --
> If you want to share pictures, use the calendar, or start a vote
> visit http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Backlash
> To leave the Group, email: Backlash-unsubscribe@smartgroups.com
> Report abuse http://www.smartgroups.com/text/abusereport.cfm?gid%3D3271426&mid%3D3244
Manniq, 08 Nov 2005 09:37:30
Do you mind saying which ones they were (or did Smartgroups eat your message?
Regards,
M
Author wrote:
> Author wrote:
> > My little Boswell (aka redcat) mutters that everyone on this site must be on at least ONE other group, board, chat room. Many people are doing stuff already. But if you aren't, please, please, please, take a look at the suggested text and post it somewhere.
> > And then let us know you have posted it.
> > If we assume that 200 of you haven't done much beyond read stuff so far....if only half of you now post this on, we reach 100 new places.
> > Please post - and then e-mail back to say where you posted.
> > If that fails, think of it as a chain letter. If you don't post in the next 5 days, you will get gangrene in your private parts and your Toyota will fall off.
> > Regards,
> > M
> I've posted re submission and backlash on the 3 or 4 yahoo groups I'm on
demolitionred, 08 Nov 2005 10:26:38
We will be raising your fears with both Lib Dem and Tory MP's.
as for sex shops, they can only benefit from this law, which only intends to criminalise people viewing images.
Amelie, 08 Nov 2005 10:39:50
silver says, but surely, if people are going to be criminalised for viewing
their videos or looking at the pictures/instructions on their toy
packaging, it is bound to affect their sales in the longer term.
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adrian, 08 Nov 2005 11:13:08
The commercial sex shop industry has always said that wherever the
line is drawn, there will be a market for whatever is just this side
of it. They don't in general give a shit for any other issues and
they certainly don't want to rock the boat. That's why it's important
to support those commercial firms who believe in something more. Skin
Two may be as commercial as they come, but they are prepared to
support what's right.
adrian, 08 Nov 2005 17:08:32
> Err Skin Two's clothing side went bust and they sold up to another
> operator...!
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Well, yes, clearly not commercial in that sense, but they aren't
_deliberately_ nonprofit. And the Expo and Rubber Ball are still
doing OK I hope.
Paul C. Dickie, 08 Nov 2005 17:46:32
In message <4370C767.8090409@affordable-leather.co.uk>, graham
wrote:
>Adrian wrote:
>> That's why it's important to support those commercial firms who
>> believe in something more. Skin Two may be as commercial as they
>> come, but they are prepared to support what's right.
>
>Err Skin Two's clothing side went bust and they sold up to another
>operator...!
Does that mean they got flayed?
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Sue, 10 Nov 2005 12:35:45
Message posted in the two yahoo groups I moderate, plus two other Scottish yahoo groups. Also on the Fife and Tayside Munch website and on My Space.com