Lets get more info from the professionals shall we?
chris, 05 Nov 2005 22:55:54
It would seem that most academics and a lot of professionals would be on our
side, and from the following passage maybe even a judge or two ?
My research, however, did not jibe with my clinical reality. The people who
presented to me were not immature or inferior. In fact, the reverse seemed
to be the case. Masochists are more likely to be successful by social
standards: professionally, sexually, emotionally, culturally, in marriages
or out. They are frequently individuals of inner strength of character,
possessed of strong coping skills with an ethical sense of individual
responsibility. A famous study of the "sexual profile of men in power" found
to the researchers' surprise, a high quantity of masochistic sexual activity
among successful politicians, judges and other important and influential
men.
Dorothy Hayden, MBA, CSW, CAC, received her masters degree in clinical
social work from New York University and has received advanced clinical
training at the Post Graduate Center for Mental Health. She is a
psychotherapist in private practice in New York City.
E-mail:dolly4@mindspring.com.
http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/haydensurrernder.htm
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clare, 06 Nov 2005 02:20:20
I've been talking to professinals in my line of work, and I'm getting a pretty lukewarm response, so far. People don't want to talk publicly about porn, however much they recongize and abhor the civil liberties/criminal justice consequences. The message I'm getting about Liberty is that their policies and ethic are anti-porn, that porn is the lowest priority in free speech and that the Art 7 and 14 infringements, never mind the total absence of harm caused, is unlikely to persuade them to devote resources.
Author wrote:
> It would seem that most academics and a lot of professionals would be on our
> side, and from the following passage maybe even a judge or two ?
> My research, however, did not jibe with my clinical reality. The people who
> presented to me were not immature or inferior. In fact, the reverse seemed
> to be the case. Masochists are more likely to be successful by social
> standards: professionally, sexually, emotionally, culturally, in marriages
> or out. They are frequently individuals of inner strength of character,
> possessed of strong coping skills with an ethical sense of individual
> responsibility. A famous study of the "sexual profile of men in power" found
> to the researchers' surprise, a high quantity of masochistic sexual activity
> among successful politicians, judges and other important and influential
> men.
> Dorothy Hayden, MBA, CSW, CAC, received her masters degree in clinical
> social work from New York University and has received advanced clinical
> training at the Post Graduate Center for Mental Health. She is a
> psychotherapist in private practice in New York City.
> E-mail:dolly4@mindspring.com.
> http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/haydensurrernder.htm
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Paul C. Dickie, 06 Nov 2005 09:08:02
In message <3708710.1131243618375.JavaMail.root@thallium.smartgroups.com
>, pearl_maude1@hotmail.com wrote:
>I've been talking to professinals in my line of work, and I'm getting a pretty
>lukewarm response, so far. People don't want to talk publicly about porn,
>however much they recongize and abhor the civil liberties/criminal justice
>consequences. The message I'm getting about Liberty is that their policies and
>ethic are anti-porn, that porn is the lowest priority in free speech and that
>the Art 7 and 14 infringements, never mind the total absence of harm caused, is
>unlikely to persuade them to devote resources.
Then they are wilfully taking liberties with our freedom.
They really ought to know that Civil rights are inherently indivisible;
to deny some civil rights to some people is to deny equal civil rights
to all.
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< Paul >
chris, 06 Nov 2005 09:24:18
I know what you mean, but even the law is supposed to listen to
professionals in the field. Where is the fairness in putting people in
prison for something that most people, including phsychiatrists etc etc
think is a reasonably healthy pastime. I really think the prison thing is a
big point to highlight. It is such a draconian punishment, especially for a
thought crime, and it is the general public/taxpayer who will have to foot
the bill for it. Also it is common knowledge that there are only so many
spaces in prisons and if they get full, people commiting really serious
crimes, including really violent crimes, real stabbings etc will be getting
let off. If you do not believe that, just ask any solicitor or police
officer.
One more thing, most professionals/academics are not afraid to speak out.
They put a higher value on their right to speak than the average person.
If people do start going to "prison for pictures" we could pick out and try
to publish the injustice. eg Peter gets 2 years for a picture on his
computer, Paul gets 6 months for stabbing a woman in the back. Dont
underestimate the power of the general public, if it was not for them the
powers to be would probably still be hanging, drawing and quartering people.
Mind you there would also be public floggings of naked females, hhhmmmmm (:
Chris
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> I've been talking to professinals in my line of work, and I'm getting a
> pretty lukewarm response, so far. People don't want to talk publicly
> about porn, however much they recongize and abhor the civil
> liberties/criminal justice consequences. The message I'm getting about
> Liberty is that their policies and ethic are anti-porn, that porn is the
> lowest priority in free speech and that the Art 7 and 14 infringements,
> never mind the total absence of harm caused, is unlikely to persuade them
> to devote resources.
>
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> Author wrote:
>> It would seem that most academics and a lot of professionals would be on
>> our
>> side, and from the following passage maybe even a judge or two ?
>> My research, however, did not jibe with my clinical reality. The people
>> who
>> presented to me were not immature or inferior. In fact, the reverse
>> seemed
>> to be the case. Masochists are more likely to be successful by social
>> standards: professionally, sexually, emotionally, culturally, in
>> marriages
>> or out. They are frequently individuals of inner strength of character,
>> possessed of strong coping skills with an ethical sense of individual
>> responsibility. A famous study of the "sexual profile of men in power"
>> found
>> to the researchers' surprise, a high quantity of masochistic sexual
>> activity
>> among successful politicians, judges and other important and influential
>> men.
>> Dorothy Hayden, MBA, CSW, CAC, received her masters degree in clinical
>> social work from New York University and has received advanced clinical
>> training at the Post Graduate Center for Mental Health. She is a
>> psychotherapist in private practice in New York City.
>> E-mail:dolly4@mindspring.com.
>> http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/haydensurrernder.htm
>> ----- Original Message -----
m:
, 06 Nov 2005 09:24:18
>> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:23 PM
>> Subject: [backlash] sticky messages
>> > Is it possible for important announcements, questions and requests to
>> > be
>> > made to "stick" at the top of the list?
>> >
>> > There was a request asking for people to respond about contacting
>> > groups
>> > that I had intended to reply to but I can't find it now, it has
>> > disappeared somewhere into the deep abyss of yesterdays posts.
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