wrote:
>
>> Conway Hall Main Hall would be ideal.
>
>If that's an offer to organise the booking of the
>venue, then thank you and welcome aboard.
>
>Otherwise, I need to know who will do the booking, or
>at the very least, the contact details for the
>relevant people at the Hall so that I can pass them on
>to someone who will handle the booking.
>
>As I'm explaining in a report on progess so far, I
>think we need a venue for 250-300 people, if possible.
>
>Ta,
>SnowdropExplodes
>
>
Conway Hall , would supply all the chairs needed and have a stage in the
Main Hall (and rudimentary sound system - though we managed to "extend
it"). It's where we held KinkFest 2004.
There are a variety of rooms (see http://www.conwayhall.org.uk/hire.htm
) but I had in mind the Main Hall
I've lost the General Manager's card but the phone number is on that
website page.
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-OJT- snowdrop-explodes@talk21.com, 24 Oct 2005 19:56:56
Why don't you suggest some names of
politically active comedians whose political agenda
might be in accord with the civil-liberties argument
we're making, and I'll see if I can find a way to
contact them?>>
Ivor Dembina, Daniel Kitson? Bill Bailey, maybe? The former two have
performed at the Skin
Two Cabaret (though I don't know under what financial arrangments).
<aren't going to get any current big names, because we
simply can't afford them. We may not even be able to
get the names I've mentioned, because we can't afford
their standard rates. The thing about the Levellers
and Chumbawamba is that, whatever else they are, they
are professionals and can be relied upon to put on a
good show, which will mean that even those who don't
particularly like them will not be driven from the
building.
The chances are nobody will like every act that I put
on the stage, simply because I'm working with whatever
acts volunteer to perform. That means I will almost
certainly get a very disparate bunch of acts to weld
into some sort of coherent show.>>
I appreciate your arguments about lack of time/lack of funding but I still
think that
dodgy old crusty bands will put off more people than they attract and that
it might be
better to get a diverse bunch of types of performer who are not that well
known (so people
don;t have pre-set negative perceptions about them). You would, frankly,
attract far more
non-pervy people if you got Dita Von Teese to strip than if you had the
re-formed Clash on
stage (well, three Kens and a coffin, I suppose). And while you probably
can't get Dita
there are a fair few radical UK strippers and cabaret performers who might
well be happy
to join such a bill.
zjk
PS just to really piss you off, I'm going to see if
Billy Bragg will do a couple of numbers for us!
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but he want's the event to be a nilla event for PR
ANd, presumably, to demonstrate to the wider world that "perverts" are
about 15 years
behind the times and don't bath often enough, given his suggested
headliners...
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fuschia, 24 Oct 2005 20:43:34
In a message dated 24/10/2005 17:43:24 GMT Daylight Time,
snowdrop-explodes@talk21.com writes:
So, we'll advertise in University newspapers, whatever
gig guides there are, and maybe we get some interest
from a few 'nillas. Nobody is expecting them to
"throng" anywhere, If it's just a dozen or a couple of
dozen, we don't want them to be scared off. I don't
want to exclude 'nillas, should they choose to come.
I do think though that acts like Ivor Dembina or Rosie Lugosi appeal to a
wider audience, and in their own way explain what we're about. I can't see a
vanilla running order pulling out the perves, is the problem...
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Fusch1af@aol.com:
<< I do think though that acts like Ivor Dembina or
Rosie Lugosi appeal to a wider audience, and in their
own way explain what we're about. I can't see a
vanilla running order pulling out the perves, is the
problem... >>
Oh, that's right, I forgot that all pervs ever think
about is pervery(!)
I can't imagine that a lack of kinky content would
really keep the BDSMers away, unless they have
absolutely no life outside of BDSM.
Think how many blogs there have been on IC about going
to see movies that have no BDSM relevance at all
(except perhaps in the filthy minds of some of those
bloggers!)
If it helps, think of it as a glorified munch.
'Nilla dress code, nilla entertainment, some kinky
chat with plenty of kinky people there, but also a few
'nilla people around who might not be as keen on kink
as you.
BTW, having looked at Rosie Lugosi's website, I would
say probably she isn't what I would want to put on the
stage. In any case, as I mentioned in my progress
report, I've already got a BDSM poet signed up for it
who will provide a little bit of kink.
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk:
<< ANd, presumably, to demonstrate to the wider world
that "perverts" are
about 15 years
behind the times and don't bath often enough, given
his suggested
headliners... >>
...
<< Ivor Dembina, Daniel Kitson? Bill Bailey, maybe?
The former two have performed at the Skin Two Cabaret
(though I don't know under what financial
arrangments). >>
Daniel Kitson and Bill Bailey? So now we're all
weird beardy gits then?
You seem to be obsessing far too much over this - it
may well be that neither band is interested, and even
if we did get one of them, they're going to be on
stage for 20 minutes out of a 2-3hr show.
So do me a favour and drop the sarcastic bitching.
...
I've looked at the Ivor Dembina website, and I can see
how he might be appropriate, however, I would guess
from the fact that he has a new show a the moment
about Palestine, that he would not be that interested
in what we're (I'm?) trying to do here. If someone
gets me a contact for him, I'll be happy to
investigate further.
Also, I'm not convinced of the draw factor on any of
those names (apart from Bill Bailey, and he is out of
our league) - I've never heard of them, are they
well-known in London?
To whom should I talk if I decide to contact any of
these acts?
*****
Why do I never learn: "No good deed goes unpunished"
and most importantly: "Never ever volunteer to do
anything"
I had assumed I'd regret this because it meant hard
work, I should have remembered what happens when you
offer to do something.
This is my project. What I know how to do, I'll do,
what I don't, I'll delegate, or find someone who can
advise me. I'm in charge, I'll stand by my
decisions, and if it all goes wrong, blame me
*afterwards* - because the rest of the time I'm
concentrating on trying to make it work.
Ta,
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-OJT- snowdrop-explodes@talk21.com, 24 Oct 2005 22:49:24
If it helps, think of it as a glorified munch.
'Nilla dress code, nilla entertainment, some kinky
chat with plenty of kinky people there, but also a few
'nilla people around who might not be as keen on kink
as you.
BTW, having looked at Rosie Lugosi's website, I would
say probably she isn't what I would want to put on the
stage. In any case, as I mentioned in my progress
report, I've already got a BDSM poet signed up for it
who will provide a little bit of kink.
People who are really kink-hostile won't come at all. The majority won't
crumble into dust
at the sight of a bit of leather. But, whatever. It is indeed your ball and
you can play
with it how you like.
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goodghirl, 24 Oct 2005 22:59:00
-OJT- wrote:I thought it was a backlash project?
This is my project. What I know how to do, I'll do,
what I don't, I'll delegate, or find someone who can
advise me. I'm in charge, I'll stand by my
decisions, and if it all goes wrong, blame me
*afterwards* - because the rest of the time I'm
concentrating on trying to make it work.
Ta,
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: -OJT-, 24 Oct 2005 23:43:42
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I can't imagine that a lack of kinky content would
really keep the BDSMers away, unless they have
absolutely no life outside of BDSM.
BTW, having looked at Rosie Lugosi's website, I would
say probably she isn't what I would want to put on the
stage. In any case, as I mentioned in my progress
report, I've already got a BDSM poet signed up for it
who will provide a little bit of kink.
Rosie does tailor her act to the audience and has more than pervery in her lineup and is a strong voice against censorship.
There are a few other entertainers around that are perve friendly and have a more vanilla line up and have forwarded them a copy of your IC post and Backlash link to see if they would be interested/available.
I can appreciate this is your gig and you can do it how you like but most who attend are going to be there because they are supporting Backlash and may be more open to alternative performance.
BTW To some they may seem like old crusties but I saw Chumbawamba about 18 months ago as part of the line up at an anti racism gig. They had the crowd jumping.
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--- goodghirl wrote:
> I thought it was a backlash project?
Well, yes it is and at the same time no it isn't.
It is in the sense that it is being run for backlash,
on behalf of backlash, and with the assistance of
backlash.
It isn't, in the sense that I am not willing to run it
(or be involved in running it) as a committee
everyone-gets-their-tuppence-worth free-for-all. In
other words, it is being run by me, and not by
backlash.
Nobody else seemed to pick up the idea and run with
it, so I did. That makes it my project, to run as
best I can, hopefully with the support and assistance
of backlash members - I'll take advice from the PR
group on what sort of event it should be, because I've
stated that I want this to be an event that is visible
to the non-kink world, and so they have a direct
vested interest (and the expertise, hopefully, to
advise me) in how it works.
I'll gladly accept helpful suggestions for a "name"
act, if people can explain how we might pitch it to
then and get them to help for free (or at least, very
cheaply), and how to contact them to do so.
I can be a good manager, who is given the authority
and the autonomy necessary to make decisions and see
that they are carried through, or I can give up on the
project entirely.
Compromise (and the committee approach generally)
tends to mean that nobody is to blame, and it is
nobody's responsibility for making sure it works.
I'm not going to go down that path. If it's a
disaster, then I'm to blame. It is my responsibility
to make sure it works. That makes it my project.
Ta,
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goodghirl, 24 Oct 2005 23:54:55
so if you dont really want peoples two pence worth why post it here? why not just say this is what Ive planned please support it?
-OJT- wrote:--- goodghirl wrote:
> I thought it was a backlash project?
Well, yes it is and at the same time no it isn't.
It is in the sense that it is being run for backlash,
on behalf of backlash, and with the assistance of
backlash.
It isn't, in the sense that I am not willing to run it
(or be involved in running it) as a committee
everyone-gets-their-tuppence-worth free-for-all. In
other words, it is being run by me, and not by
backlash.
Nobody else seemed to pick up the idea and run with
it, so I did. That makes it my project, to run as
best I can, hopefully with the support and assistance
of backlash members - I'll take advice from the PR
group on what sort of event it should be, because I've
stated that I want this to be an event that is visible
to the non-kink world, and so they have a direct
vested interest (and the expertise, hopefully, to
advise me) in how it works.
I'll gladly accept helpful suggestions for a "name"
act, if people can explain how we might pitch it to
then and get them to help for free (or at least, very
cheaply), and how to contact them to do so.
I can be a good manager, who is given the authority
and the autonomy necessary to make decisions and see
that they are carried through, or I can give up on the
project entirely.
Compromise (and the committee approach generally)
tends to mean that nobody is to blame, and it is
nobody's responsibility for making sure it works.
I'm not going to go down that path. If it's a
disaster, then I'm to blame. It is my responsibility
to make sure it works. That makes it my project.
Ta,
SnowdropExplodes
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--- "Giggler (Moira)" wrote:
> BTW, having looked at Rosie Lugosi's website, I
> would
> say probably she isn't what I would want to put on
> the
> stage. In any case, as I mentioned in my
> progress
> report, I've already got a BDSM poet signed up for
> it
> who will provide a little bit of kink.
>
> Rosie does tailor her act to the audience and has
> more than pervery in her lineup and is a strong
> voice against censorship.
Well, I guessed that might be the case - I did also
notice that it called her "Manchester's leading...."
which was a disincentive, since I am looking at a
London event.
>
> There are a few other entertainers around that are
> perve friendly and have a more vanilla line up and
> have forwarded them a copy of your IC post and
> Backlash link to see if they would be
> interested/available.
Thank you, that's good - can you let me know who they
are, please? I'd like to know who's to be expected
(and how many of them there are)
>
> I can appreciate this is your gig and you can do it
> how you like but most who attend are going to be
> there because they are supporting Backlash and may
> be more open to alternative performance.
I agree, I just don't want to scare off the 5-10% who
might just possibly be there because they saw an ad in
the 'nilla press and thought it would be a good night
out. As I say, there will be a slight kink element
to it anyway, as I already have one slightly kinky act
agreed.
>
> BTW To some they may seem like old crusties but I
> saw Chumbawamba about 18 months ago as part of the
> line up at an anti racism gig. They had the crowd
> jumping.
And I saw the Levellers about a year ago, and the same
could be said of them. And they looked as if they'd
bathed that very day!
Thank you very much for your input.
Ta,
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SnowdropExplodes, 25 Oct 2005 00:22:21
--- goodghirl wrote:
> so if you dont really want peoples two pence worth
> why post it here? why not just say this is what Ive
> planned please support it?
Because I need help to be able to do it.
If I need help, then the people I ask to help, need to
know what help is needed, and therefore they need to
know towards what they are meant to be working.
Believe me, if I could do it on my own, without the
help of the group, I would. The easiest way to kill
a good idea is to tell people about it.
*****
I also told the group because I am a conscientious
employee. Since I view backlash as the people who are
employing me to organise this event, that means I feel
that I have a duty to let you guys know what I am
doing on your behalf so that if I propose to do
something that violates backlash's policies or
objectives, or threatens to harm the group, I can be
called to account on it (hence my wish that the PR
group, for example, give my guidance).
And also because, strangely, I thought one or two
people here might be singers or musicians and might
want to be a part of it.
Ta,
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demolitionred, 25 Oct 2005 11:01:55
snowdrop explodes.I am not willing to run it
> (or be involved in running it) as a committee
> everyone-gets-their-tuppence-worth free-for-all. In
> other words, it is being run by me, and not by
> backlash..
> Ta,
> SnowdropExplodes
>
Thank god for that. One less thread to watch.
Amelie, 25 Oct 2005 11:42:29
just let me know when, where, how, or if you want me..... Amelie
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"-OJT-" , 25 Oct 2005 11:42:29
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:21 AM
> --- goodghirl wrote:
>
>> so if you dont really want peoples two pence worth
>> why post it here? why not just say this is what Ive
>> planned please support it?
>
> Because I need help to be able to do it.
>
> If I need help, then the people I ask to help, need to
> know what help is needed, and therefore they need to
> know towards what they are meant to be working.
>
> Believe me, if I could do it on my own, without the
> help of the group, I would. The easiest way to kill
> a good idea is to tell people about it.
>
> *****
>
> I also told the group because I am a conscientious
> employee. Since I view backlash as the people who are
> employing me to organise this event, that means I feel
> that I have a duty to let you guys know what I am
> doing on your behalf so that if I propose to do
> something that violates backlash's policies or
> objectives, or threatens to harm the group, I can be
> called to account on it (hence my wish that the PR
> group, for example, give my guidance).
>
> And also because, strangely, I thought one or two
> people here might be singers or musicians and might
> want to be a part of it.
>
> Ta,
> SnowdropExplodes
>
>
>
>
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Amelie, 25 Oct 2005 12:21:18
Jethro could build a whole new act around the consultation and anomalies -
not exactly political - but popular porn and memorable.
www.jethro.co.uk
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-OJT- snowdrop-explodes@talk21.com, 25 Oct 2005 12:21:18
Why don't you suggest some names of
politically active comedians whose political agenda
might be in accord with the civil-liberties argument
we're making, and I'll see if I can find a way to
contact them?>>
Ivor Dembina, Daniel Kitson? Bill Bailey, maybe? The former two have
performed at the Skin
Two Cabaret (though I don't know under what financial arrangments).
<aren't going to get any current big names, because we
simply can't afford them. We may not even be able to
get the names I've mentioned, because we can't afford
their standard rates. The thing about the Levellers
and Chumbawamba is that, whatever else they are, they
are professionals and can be relied upon to put on a
good show, which will mean that even those who don't
particularly like them will not be driven from the
building.
The chances are nobody will like every act that I put
on the stage, simply because I'm working with whatever
acts volunteer to perform. That means I will almost
certainly get a very disparate bunch of acts to weld
into some sort of coherent show.>>
I appreciate your arguments about lack of time/lack of funding but I still
think that
dodgy old crusty bands will put off more people than they attract and that
it might be
better to get a diverse bunch of types of performer who are not that well
known (so people
don;t have pre-set negative perceptions about them). You would, frankly,
attract far more
non-pervy people if you got Dita Von Teese to strip than if you had the
re-formed Clash on
stage (well, three Kens and a coffin, I suppose). And while you probably
can't get Dita
there are a fair few radical UK strippers and cabaret performers who might
well be happy
to join such a bill.
zjk
PS just to really piss you off, I'm going to see if
Billy Bragg will do a couple of numbers for us!
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Paul C. Dickie, 25 Oct 2005 19:19:47
In message <012201c5d956$0d943a00$6701a8c0@Sylvia>, Amelie osynthesis.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Jethro could build a whole new act around the consultation and anomalies -
>not exactly political - but popular porn and memorable.
And probably more to the right politically, so anything that could make
Blair look even more foolish might not be rejected out of hand.
I wonder if he's a Freemason...
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