Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:18 PM
> If nowhere else, I found a ref to a copy held at the Albert Sloman library
> at the University of Essex - with a certain satisfying irony, in the
> archive
> of the National Viewers and Listeners Association, which was given to the
> library in 1993. No idea what it would need to be able to access the
> archive, unless we have any Essex academics or students among our numbers.
>
> If we have Mary Whitehouse's spirit helping us, how can we lose?
>
> http://libwww.essex.ac.uk/Archives/NVALA_Archives.htm
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
: Adrian
, 20 Oct 2005 11:57:49
>
> At 00:30 19/10/2005 +0100, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > this is the document we want
> > but it is not currently available online,
> > not even from the library of congress.
> > Does anyone have access to the
> > Home Office Archives or BLL? Amelie
> >
> >
> > Obscenity and
> > film censorship
> >
> > Full title:
> > Corporate author: Committee
> > Chairman: Williams, B.
> >
> The BFI would surely have a copy. Inter-Library Loans will search the
> union list of all libraries, but best done by a decent library - an
> academic one?
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adrian, 22 Oct 2005 10:06:50
I have received the abridged version.
It contains the full text except for 8 appendices on: hist of criminal
law, hist of film censorship, the law in other countries, biographical
and stats. Probably we don't have a huge need for the appendices as
much will relate to the moral position at that time and not to the big
questions.
I'll have a read through and extract passages for scanning and OCRing.
Then I'll send it to Amelie unless someone else has a greater need of
the whole thing (photocopying help would be useful if so).
The other book on the subject is on its way. It's written by a
professor who was on the committee.
clare, 22 Oct 2005 13:52:44
It would be great if you can scan and upload.
Author wrote:
> I have received the abridged version.
> It contains the full text except for 8 appendices on: hist of criminal
> law, hist of film censorship, the law in other countries, biographical
> and stats. Probably we don't have a huge need for the appendices as
> much will relate to the moral position at that time and not to the big
> questions.
> I'll have a read through and extract passages for scanning and OCRing.
> Then I'll send it to Amelie unless someone else has a greater need of
> the whole thing (photocopying help would be useful if so).
> The other book on the subject is on its way. It's written by a
> professor who was on the committee.
AV8R, 22 Oct 2005 14:13:34
yes, scan and upload would be very helpful, the appendix on the history of criminal law might also be helpful though, also hist of censorship.
Author wrote:
> It would be great if you can scan and upload.
> Author wrote:
> > I have received the abridged version.
> > It contains the full text except for 8 appendices on: hist of criminal
> > law, hist of film censorship, the law in other countries, biographical
> > and stats. Probably we don't have a huge need for the appendices as
> > much will relate to the moral position at that time and not to the big
> > questions.
> > I'll have a read through and extract passages for scanning and OCRing.
> > Then I'll send it to Amelie unless someone else has a greater need of
> > the whole thing (photocopying help would be useful if so).
> > The other book on the subject is on its way. It's written by a
> > professor who was on the committee.
adrian, 22 Oct 2005 23:11:25
Well, yes. But if you mean the lot, it's 166 pages. I could do it
all, but several other things would go by the wayside. At the moment
top of my list are the website petition and online payment page.
Also it would be way more than the fair copying agreement allows.
Should we be concerned?
adrian, 24 Oct 2005 13:52:13
I've been reading it. It's good stuff. Many of the arguments have
been made in this group in forms close to the original (are you sure
you don't all have copies?).
It seems a very well-balanced report, but contains a lot of strong
points in our favour. The opposition can extract statements favouring
their own case but overall its conclusions are usually on our side.
I'll scan many pages, maybe 30 are important. Much of the chapters
called 'Harms?' (note the question mark) and Offence needs to be
listed.
Won't it be wonderful to be able to pepper our arguments with (Source:
Home Office Report...)? This is exactly what I'd hoped.
clare, 24 Oct 2005 14:09:42
yes! Look forward to seeing it.
This is exactly the point I was making about why it is so useful to be able to cite the Sentencing Advisory Panel guidelines: The product of a government advisory body that has consulted with all the relevant groups.
Author wrote:
> I've been reading it. It's good stuff. Many of the arguments have
> been made in this group in forms close to the original (are you sure
> you don't all have copies?).
> It seems a very well-balanced report, but contains a lot of strong
> points in our favour. The opposition can extract statements favouring
> their own case but overall its conclusions are usually on our side.
> I'll scan many pages, maybe 30 are important. Much of the chapters
> called 'Harms?' (note the question mark) and Offence needs to be
> listed.
> Won't it be wonderful to be able to pepper our arguments with (Source:
> Home Office Report...)? This is exactly what I'd hoped.
Amelie, 24 Oct 2005 16:20:16
I will leave my article until you have finished with the copy and send it to
me. Then I can tackle it from the angle of "when are they going to listen
to the experts" and point out to Psychologists, psychotherapists and
counsellors that psychological research is being totally disregarded in
favour of what the man in the street (and on the leather seats of
Westminster) considers "Simple common sense". Amelie
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"Adrian"
, 24 Oct 2005 16:20:16
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 1:51 PM
I've been reading it. It's good stuff. Many of the arguments have
been made in this group in forms close to the original (are you sure
you don't all have copies?).
It seems a very well-balanced report, but contains a lot of strong
points in our favour. The opposition can extract statements favouring
their own case but overall its conclusions are usually on our side.
I'll scan many pages, maybe 30 are important. Much of the chapters
called 'Harms?' (note the question mark) and Offence needs to be
listed.
Won't it be wonderful to be able to pepper our arguments with (Source:
Home Office Report...)? This is exactly what I'd hoped.
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«No Name Set», 24 Oct 2005 18:13:39
Yes.
Don't want to give hostages to ... if not fortune, then possibly
reaping the whirlwind.
Besides I'm sure Adrian's more pressing activites take priority
over slaving over a hot photocopier.
Rosemary
Adrian writes:
Well, yes. But if you mean the lot, it's 166 pages. I could do it
all, but several other things would go by the wayside. At the moment
top of my list are the website petition and online payment page.
Also it would be way more than the fair copying agreement allows.
Should we be concerned?
--
Rosemary
zak, 24 Oct 2005 20:24:27
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Amelie Amelie@psychosynthesis.fsnet.co.uk, 24 Oct 2005 20:24:27
I will leave my article until you have finished with the copy and send it to
me. Then I can tackle it from the angle of "when are they going to listen
to the experts" and point out to Psychologists, psychotherapists and
counsellors that psychological research is being totally disregarded in
favour of what the man in the street (and on the leather seats of
Westminster) considers "Simple common sense". Amelie
I commend to you the words of Robert Heinlein... "Common Sense isn't" and
would add a
further translation: "ordinary decent people" can be read as "thick bigots".
zj
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fobix, 24 Oct 2005 20:38:44
On 24/10/05, zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk wrote:
> I commend to you the words of Robert Heinlein... "Common Sense isn't" and
> would add a
> further translation: "ordinary decent people" can be read as "thick bigots".
>
> zj
Whilst common sense may not be, there are a fair number of ordinary
decent people who happen to be relatively open minded either don't
much care about the availability of obscure porn, or get sucked in by
suggestions that there's loads of violent abuse of women going on that
banning this porn will stop. The propaganda behind it makes it look
like a pretty good piece of legislation at first glance (which is
obviously what propaganda is for), and I doubt the average person
would consent to laws if more adequately informed about their nature
(which is obviously what propaganda is there to prevent).
Phoebe
Amelie, 25 Oct 2005 12:12:31
I like the Heinlein quote - thanks. Amelie
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, 25 Oct 2005 12:12:31
To:
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:24 PM
Original Message:
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Amelie Amelie@psychosynthesis.fsnet.co.uk, 25 Oct 2005 12:12:31
I will leave my article until you have finished with the copy and send it to
me. Then I can tackle it from the angle of "when are they going to listen
to the experts" and point out to Psychologists, psychotherapists and
counsellors that psychological research is being totally disregarded in
favour of what the man in the street (and on the leather seats of
Westminster) considers "Simple common sense". Amelie
I commend to you the words of Robert Heinlein... "Common Sense isn't" and
would add a
further translation: "ordinary decent people" can be read as "thick bigots".
zj
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