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Voting Records

Manniq, 18 Oct 2005 19:17:10

Loads more overlap. Morgarth writes to me to ask about checking out the voting records of MP's. I have referred him to:

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/index.php

Not only does this allow you to look at individual voting records - but also allows you to set up a virtual MP against which you can then compare other MPs. Unless anyone else wishes to do so, I hope Morgarth will take on the task of setting up the virtual bod.

Input, therefore, which would be very interesting, is votes which individuals think might help distinguish our 'perfect MP' from other less perfect ones.

A question, I guess, for the legislative obsessives.

Regards,

M

Paul Tavener, 18 Oct 2005 19:53:33

Author wrote:
> Loads more overlap. Morgarth writes to me to ask about checking out the voting records of MP's. I have referred him to:
> http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/index.php
> Not only does this allow you to look at individual voting records - but also allows you to set up a virtual MP against which you can then compare other MPs. Unless anyone else wishes to do so, I hope Morgarth will take on the task of setting up the virtual bod.
> Input, therefore, which would be very interesting, is votes which individuals think might help distinguish our 'perfect MP' from other less perfect ones.
> A question, I guess, for the legislative obsessives.
> Regards,
> M

Publicwhip is an excellent resource but you may have some difficulty in finding suitable votes to catagorise MP's by. Has there been any ID card voting yet? If so that might be a good rough and ready measure of support for individual rights.

I just heard Richard Shepard (con - Aldridge-Brownhills) give a very passionate speach against ID cards and infavour of liberty, on the Parliment channel - certainly one to contact.

Manniq, 18 Oct 2005 22:04:49

Actually, the reason I said that this was one for the legislation obsessives is that there have probably been dozens of votes that might be useful for categorisation - but not the 'obvious' ones.

That is, when a Bill comes before the House, there are amendments and amendments to amendments to be debated and voted on before the main vote on the substantive Bill (as finally amended). An individual Bill can sometimes get through unamended (rarely) - can sometimes carry hundreds of amendments.

The substantive vote is very often on party lines and/or is whipped, with MP's voting one, two or three line whips in order of Party diktat. If you try and work out an MP's position from the main voting patterns, you are most likely to end up with, to some degree, a measure of how far an individual toes the Party line.

If someone has the time - morgarth, perhaps? - to go through amendments on some key legislation and to understand WHAT the effect of the amendment was (not always clear) then that probably gives a better guide to the intricacies of our legislators' minds.

Regards,

M

Author wrote:
> Author wrote:
> > Loads more overlap. Morgarth writes to me to ask about checking out the voting records of MP's. I have referred him to:
> > http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/index.php
> > Not only does this allow you to look at individual voting records - but also allows you to set up a virtual MP against which you can then compare other MPs. Unless anyone else wishes to do so, I hope Morgarth will take on the task of setting up the virtual bod.
> > Input, therefore, which would be very interesting, is votes which individuals think might help distinguish our 'perfect MP' from other less perfect ones.
> > A question, I guess, for the legislative obsessives.
> > Regards,
> > M
> Publicwhip is an excellent resource but you may have some difficulty in finding suitable votes to catagorise MP's by. Has there been any ID card voting yet? If so that might be a good rough and ready measure of support for individual rights.
> I just heard Richard Shepard (con - Aldridge-Brownhills) give a very passionate speach against ID cards and infavour of liberty, on the Parliment channel - certainly one to contact.

Graham Marsden, 19 Oct 2005 01:34:54

manniq@hotmail.com wrote:

> The substantive vote is very often on party lines and/or is whipped,

Oh the irony...! :-)

Cheers,
Graham.

ŤNo Name Setť, 19 Oct 2005 03:21:21

Putting some junnk line sup here to give the mailer something to
eat, asit's been at it agin, ho hum....

manniq@hotmail.com writes:
Loads more overlap. Morgarth writes to me to ask about checking out the voting records of MP's. I have referred him to:

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/index.php

Not only does this allow you to look at individual voting records - but also allows you to set up a virtual MP against which you can then compare other MPs.
Unless anyone else wishes to do so, I hope Morgarth will take on the task of setting up the vir
tual bod.

Input, therefore, which would be very interesting, is votes which individuals think might help distinguish our 'perfect MP' from other less perfect ones.

A question, I guess, for the legislative obsessives.

Don't claim to be obsessive about much without 4 hooves
attached, but here's some suggestions.

Does this site also cover the House of Lords?

Does it just give Aye and Noe votes, or does it say who spoke on
which issue and what they said?

1. anyone with a record of voting pro-gay rights - equal male
age of consent, scrapping section 28, or anything sensible about
the Equality Directive (and against the exemptions to it based
on religion) might be supportive of "sexual minorities"

2. anyone who opposed the bill to outlaw possession of child
porn pics on the grounds of practical difficulties (eg. suppose
the pic arrived as a virus payload?) might be amenable to an
argument based on this being even more unworkable

3. those who've been involved in/spoken knowledgeably about the
Computer Misuse Act, or other IT/e-commerce related bills might
also be amenable to arguments based on the proposals being
unworkable, and it being better to devote resources to tackling
the real problems f internet misuse

4. anyone who opposed the anti-hunting legislation may be
amneable to an argument based on Liberty - and also to drawing
the parallel that this is similarly a matter where the
government is being swayed by a vocal and manipulative ampaign
(JLC and allies, here) in the face of Reason and Evidence,
including the government's own Reason and Evidence.

--
Rosemary

demolitionred, 19 Oct 2005 08:12:38

people opposed to religious hatred proposals?

ŤNo Name Setť, 20 Oct 2005 18:02:25

zak, 21 Oct 2005 00:33:52

The proposals on religious hatred are just as wrong as the ones we're all
opposed to. It's
acceptable - and, indeed, sometimes necessary - to criticise religious
belief and
practice, to laugh at and express contempt or dislike for other people's
beliefs. What is
not acceptable is to go into people's homes and damage or confiscate their
religious
items, or brink the windows of their places of worship, or physically
assault them because
you think they hold beliefs you don't like. This is the difference between
freedom of
speech (no matter how offensive) and enforcing your opinions by the means
of physical
assault and/or criminal damage. There are laws against assault and damage
which should be
enforced without discrimination: the right to say that someone else speaks
or believes
ludicrous bollocks is far more important than some putative right never to
be exposed to
opinions that contradict your own.

zjk

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forumite@umbilical.demon.co.uk (Rosemary), 21 Oct 2005 00:33:52

Usual stuff here for getting eaten....

demolitionred@yahoo.com writes:

people opposed to religious hatred proposals?

Possibly.... bot not necessarily.

THe opponents could be simply racist bigots. The supporters
could be those representing multi-racial constituencies where
violence against (people thought to be) Moslem is a very real
problem.

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Rosemary

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