Name: CAFE = Consenting Adults for Freedom of Expression
object, 04 Sep 2005 23:48:44
Tanos,
You suggestion seems to have become lost in the blizzard of other
(interesting) contributions. The name 'Consenting Adults for Freedom of
Expression', seems to me to capture the essence of what we are about, and
also creates a real PR tool in that it is a lovely "Motherhood and Apple
pie" phrase i.e. one which no one could possibly disagree with.
I would agree that IMHO 'Backlash', whilst having great BDSM connotations,
could sound pretty negative and reactionary to an outsider.
object
Tanos , 04 Sep 2005 23:48:44
>Subject: Re: [backlash] RE: Bestiality, Consent
>
>darkness^ wrote:
>
>>If anyone has any thoughts or ideas about domain names
>>or PR concepts, this would be a good time to raise
>>them.
>
>I'd go for an .org.uk if you can since it says UK and
>something non-profit right from the start.
>
>cafe-campaign.org.uk isn't taken (CAFE = Consenting Adults
>for Freedom of Expression.) cafe.org.uk is taken but
>unused, which is convenient.
>
>I think backlash sounds a bit aggressive and out of
>control.
>
>Regards,
>
> Tanos
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Laurence, 05 Sep 2005 07:03:09
May I add my personal support for Tanos suggested 'Consenting Adults for Freedom of Expression'.
It has an easy and recognisable acronym.
A non controvertial symbolic icon is easy to produce.
It is not only non controvertial to the 'vanilla eye' it is also evocative of relaxed leisure moments sitting beneath trees on sunny days and for some harks back to 'cafe society' of artists and philosophers.
Cafe is a common word in everyday language - both the written and spoken word - it is therefor 'self reinforcing' on a subliminal level (gay was used to similar effect - the principle is, I would submit, proven)
It specifies an age range thus negating attempts by opponants to 'play the child card'
It contains two 'positives' - Consent and Freedom.
The term Freedom of Expression is 'inclusive' - it encompasses the arts as well as activity and brings philosophy into play which can only strengthen the positive arguments.
The antithesis of the words are:
Consenting : Nonconsenting
Adult : Child
Freedom : Slavery
Expression : Repression
Which means that opponents of *Consenting Adults for Freedom of Expression* are 'backfooted' in that any opposition they may offer will need to be 'qualified' by them to avoid the 'antithesis' trap - in this case being bitten by their own teeth. Statements which need continual qualification in order not to be misrepresented are tiresome, resource intensive, lack clarity and tend to be dismissed by the general public.
'Consenting Adults for Freedom of Expression' provides both a clear banner and battle cry all in one - of all the names put forward over the years for various causes and groups I cannot recall hearing a better one fit for purpose.
Kind regards
Laurence
Author wrote:
> Tanos,
> You suggestion seems to have become lost in the blizzard of other
> (interesting) contributions. The name 'Consenting Adults for Freedom of
> Expression', seems to me to capture the essence of what we are about, and
> also creates a real PR tool in that it is a lovely "Motherhood and Apple
> pie" phrase i.e. one which no one could possibly disagree with.
> I would agree that IMHO 'Backlash', whilst having great BDSM connotations,
> could sound pretty negative and reactionary to an outsider.
> object
m: Tanos , 05 Sep 2005 07:03:09
> >Subject: Re: [backlash] RE: Bestiality, Consent
> >
> >darkness^ wrote:
> >
> >>If anyone has any thoughts or ideas about domain names
> >>or PR concepts, this would be a good time to raise
> >>them.
> >
> >I'd go for an .org.uk if you can since it says UK and
> >something non-profit right from the start.
> >
> >cafe-campaign.org.uk isn't taken (CAFE = Consenting Adults
> >for Freedom of Expression.) cafe.org.uk is taken but
> >unused, which is convenient.
> >
> >I think backlash sounds a bit aggressive and out of
> >control.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> > Tanos
dan brusca, 05 Sep 2005 07:39:34
CAFE is already an ancronym used in this area: the Campaign for
Audiovisual Free Expression:
http://www.eff.org/cafe/
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Laurence, 05 Sep 2005 08:46:57
Author wrote:
> CAFE is already an ancronym used in this area: the Campaign for
> Audiovisual Free Expression:
> http://www.eff.org/cafe/
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Indeed it it Dan - it is also an acronym used for a behavioural training programme, a sociological research programme and the title of innumerable premises where double soss, egg 'n chips are available at differing stages of congelement - all of which go to prove what an excellent acronym it is.
There is very little new in the world - pick a word - enter it into google and see the result - backlash is quite interesting.
There are similarities between the aims of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (Campaign for Audiovisual Free Expression) and our situation vis a vis censorship - perhaps a dialogue with them would not be out of order,
Either way their existance does not negate the positive notion of Consenting Adults for Freedom of Expression and we could even add a geographical reference with no loss of impact i.e.
Consenting Adults for Freedom of Expression (Britain) thus giving us CafeBritain for example or even Cafe(GB)
What's in a name? A heck of a lot in real terms when it comes to dealing with topics like this. Think of who you are trying to influence to achieve the objective. The name will be the first thing they see - that will generate a mental image - that mental image will be their 'first impression' of whatever follows. Get it right and the cause is advanced - get it wrong and the cause is severly hampered. This is essentially 'labeling theory' and I float it here because I believe it has a currency with the present situation. Here follows an extract from a piece on Criminological Theory which gives a perspective to a popular stratagy that has been employed against particular 'interest groups'.
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A group of labeling theorists began exploring how and why certain acts were defined as criminal or deviant and why other such acts were not. They questioned how and why certain people thus became defined as criminal or deviant. Such theorists viewed crimnals not as evil persons who engaged in wrong acts but as individuals who had a criminal status placed upon them by both the criminal justice system and the community at large. From this point of view, criminal acts thus themselves are not significant, it is the social reaction to them that are. Deviance and its control then involves a process of social definition which involves the response from others to an individual's behavior which is key to how an individual views himself. To make this point, let's briefly examine a crucial point made by sociologist Howard S. Becker, in 1963.
"Deviance is not a quality of the act the person commits, but rather a consequence of the application by others of rules and sanctions to an offender. The deviant is one to whom that label has successfully been applied; deviant behavior is behavior
that people so label."
Labeling theory focuses on the reaction of other people and the subsequent effects of those reactions which create deviance. When it becomes known that a person has engaged in deviant acts, she or he is then segregated from society and thus labeled, "whore," thief," "abuser," "junkie," and the like. Becker noted that this process of segregation creates "outsiders", who are outcast from society, and then begin to associate with other individuals who have also been cast out. When more and more people begin to think of these individuals as deviants, they respond to them as such; thus the deviant reacts to such a response by continuing to engage in the behavior society now expects from them.
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So, if negative labels such as violence, abuse, injury, sadism, pervert or similar can be affixed to our campaign (either by our opponents or worse by ourselves) we are taking careful aim and shooting ourselves in the foot hence my continued support of a non controvertial and positive image generating name.
Kind regards
Laurence
adrian, 05 Sep 2005 09:56:08
cafebritain cafegb and cafegb are all available, amazingly.
cafegb is ugly. Best to avoid hyphens and underscores, hard to remember which it uses. Cafebritain has my vote.
Thunder, 05 Sep 2005 10:08:07
In message <11259106680703@aeolian.plus.com>, adrian@aeolian.plus.com
writes
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>cafebritain cafegb and cafegb are all available, amazingly.
>
>cafegb is ugly. Best to avoid hyphens and underscores, hard to
>remember which it uses. Cafebritain has my vote.
I like CAFE and as domain names are not case sensitive it could still be
capitalised in whatever combination one chooses.
Personally I don't like the britain ending but would go along with it if
others like it (or CAFEuk)
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Tanos, 05 Sep 2005 10:08:45
adrian@aeolian.plus.com wrote:
> cafebritain cafegb and cafegb are all available, amazingly.
cafecampaign.org.uk is available too.
> cafegb is ugly. Best to avoid hyphens and underscores, hard to
> remember which it uses. Cafebritain has my vote.
(I should also point out that CAFE was lili's idea rather than mine :)
Tanos
adrian, 05 Sep 2005 10:30:23
>I like CAFE and as domain names are not case sensitive it could still be
capitalised in whatever combination one chooses.
Agreed, but CAFE is taken under all appropriate suffixes. There may be better ways to vary it that we haven't thought of (cafethemovie?) to avoid the repetition of the country e.g. blip-uk.org.uk
I know we could go for a .org but I strongly suggest that a UK organisation use org.uk, both logical and as expected by users.
darkness, 05 Sep 2005 11:12:47
> I know we could go for a .org but I strongly suggest
> that a UK organisation use org.uk, both logical and
> as expected by users.
Absolutely. It really ought to be org.uk
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Lothario, 05 Sep 2005 11:17:45
I will personally lead a campaign against this campaign if it chooses
a domain suffix other than .org.uk. That's pushed all my emotional
buttons. ;)
The first rule of design, in my book, is "play nicely with others". In
other words, stick to conventions unless there's a life-threatening,
overriding reason for doing otherwise.
On 9/5/05, darkness^ wrote:
> > I know we could go for a .org but I strongly suggest
> > that a UK organisation use org.uk, both logical and
> > as expected by users.
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> Absolutely. It really ought to be org.uk
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Peter Green, 05 Sep 2005 13:10:33
On 9/5/05, adrian@aeolian.plus.com wrote:
> Cafebritain has my vote.
I liked backlash because of the clever wordplay, but Laurence's
excellent arguments have sold me on something cafe-based - preferably
cafebritain if Adrian doesn't want hyphens.
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Graham Marsden, 05 Sep 2005 13:13:19
Peter Green wrote:
>>Cafebritain has my vote.
>
> I liked backlash because of the clever wordplay, but Laurence's
> excellent arguments have sold me on something cafe-based - preferably
> cafebritain if Adrian doesn't want hyphens.
Whilst I appreciate the arguments for "cafe", I don't think it or
"cafebritain" sounds particularly great.
I'm not sure what would, but I just thought I'd mention this.
Kramel, 05 Sep 2005 18:49:45
or even CAFFE, less memorable perhaps.
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